Advice about Twins

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  • I don't have a specific question, just looking for some support and/or a "been there before" story.  We have identical twin boys who are now freshman in HS.  They have always struggled with maintaining friendships, and that has only amplified in HS.  They are each other's best friend, but this limits their social interactions. They spend most weekends at home on their screens or with our family - we are constantly still trying to entertain them, mostly to get them off their screens.  They have very little outside interests.  They say they are bored but they tend to not reply when a kid from school asks them to do something.  Nothing seems to excite them or bring them joy.  They have seen a therapist in the past but he was unable to reach them and they have no interest in meeting with another one.   A therapist I speak to thinks they are neurodivergent, but says testing them at this point won't really change anything; only how we parent them - lots of patience, lots of direction.  They are very emotionally and socially immature - more like 6th graders than 9th graders.  It is all very exhausting, and so sad to see them so lonely.  

    There is so much to unpack here. I do not have twins but have a teen boy also into gaming, as most are, and no one else has taken a stab at it so here goes. You say they are each other's best friend, but you also hate to see them lonely. Are they lonely or do you just feel that not having friends makes them feel lonely? How are they doing academically? It's not a red flag to see freshmen boys who have trouble making friends (especially at a big school), or who don't connect with a therapist, or who seem to have a flat affect, but it feels like a red flag to have all 3 at the same time.

    So, if it were me, here is what I would do. If their academics were not on par with their peers, I would absolutely have them tested. (I would have them tested no matter what based on what you were told but that's just curious me). Neurodivergence is a big banner, I'd be curious to know what in particular the difference is, and how that might affect their social skills, executive functioning, etc. How can you know how to better parent them if you don't know what the issues are in the first place?

    Next, I would require that both of them get involved in an extra-curricular activity - NOT the same one - like scouting, sports, volunteering, etc. Will this be more work for you? Absolutely. Will it benefit your kids? Absolutely. They will complain, they will make excuses and they will hate it at first, but eventually they will start to socialize with people besides each other and maybe, hopefully, they will learn that they like that, and that there is more to life than gaming with their brother.

    Have you considered a social skills class (separately! not both of them at the same time)?

    I understand that it is tiring, and maybe it's something they will grow out of as they mature, but I think you can absolutely help that along by trying some of the above. And hopefully there are some twin moms out there that will add more insight for you in another response.

    My son, who is 16, was a lot like that as a freshman. It broke my heart when he told me he was eating alone. But my spouse, who is a therapist, was not worried. He pointed out that high school can be chaotic and maybe he needs a break from it all to regroup. I think I was putting my own high school anxieties on his shoulders. When I asked him if he was lonely, he said no. He also had no interest in sports but likes gaming. One thing that I did was require that he join a club. He now is in 3 and that’s really where  he started interacting with more people. I also found a program for him (at the Oakland zoo) that is a full day every other week (no screens). He still doesn’t have friends over on weekends but he has this whole slew of friends/acquaintances that he does this activities with on weekends. I also had a friend tell me about live action role playing and my kid tried it out and fell in love. It’s mainly adults but there are some teens and even a kid at his high school who does it.  I suggesting these things but once he started, he really fell in love. and I love that he’s going out in the world and interacting with all sorts of people. 

    fyi, he has adhd and has always been socially behind his peers and then covid wiped out half of middle school. Middle school may suck for a lot of kids, but it’s when you learn a lot about how to be social! This year (his junior year), I feel like he has finally hit his stride.

    not sure what you can take from our journey, but have hope! 

    HI,

    I am a twin and can try to lend you my perspective.  When I was in high school, I tried to seek friends outside of my twin sister, but it was not really a huge priority.  I always felt that I could fall back on my twin if the other friendships did not work out.  I also feel that as a twin, we inherently have a bond with each other that really satiates our need for another best friend.  Freshman year was a huge transition from a new school and often times many friendships have been established since elementary and middle school.  I always felt that my peers felt a little intimidated to join in our twin friendship.  I know that peers often viewed us as a complete unit and never really tried to get to know myself or my twin individually.  You mentioned that your twins are emotionally and socially immature.  Are they having fun with each other? You mentioned that your twin have little outside interests. May I suggest exposing them on a weekly basis with new hobbies, areas to explore outside the house, travel, etc? I think that your twins are going through an important adolescent transition and you still have time to help them explore and grow.  Hope this helps!

    I was interested to read your post because I would describe my twins similarly. Mine are sophomores now and they have branched out a little but remain each other’s primary BFFs and focus. The thing with us is that I think I am more worried about their insularity than they are. They seem content for the most part. I have been urging them to try school clubs but they are somewhat resistant. I don’t know if this is because they are content with each other or nervous to branch out together. They once told me that people think twins have it great because they aren’t alone but that sometimes they feel “alone together.” 

    I don’t know if this will help you, but even though my teen was not interested in signing up for extracurriculars, I required them to do at least one.   It is not only good for interacting with others, it is also important for college applications to show at least some level of community engagement.   Although it probably hasn’t resulted in long term friendships in my kid’s case, the group he joined is friendly, accepting and engaging and interesting.  And time spent on group activities is a nice counterpoint to solo gaming.  There are lots of clubs and teams in high school, so teens have many opportunities try out different interests to find the right fit for themselves.

  • Preparing for twins

    Mar 25, 2023

    Hi! My husband and I were surprised and thrilled to find out we are expecting twins from a single embryo transfer of IVF ❤️ Such a blessing! Now, we’re struggling to get a sense of costs for two.


    Does anyone have budget spreadsheets / resources for multiples? We rent and are considering looking to buy but want to have a clearer idea of our monthly costs before getting into a mortgage. We live in San Francisco, he works in Emeryville and I work remote from home. 
     

    I’m only 10 weeks along but the most pressing question I’m thinking about is care for when they arrive, since neither of our families live super close by (and we don’t have room to host them if they fly in) - but finding costs for a night nurse or postpartum doula has been tricky. 
     

    Thank you so much in advance! 

    Congrats on your twin pregnancy!! I have an almost-6-year-old and 1-year-old twins. I recommend joining a local multiples group to connect with other twin families. We're in Twins By the Bay which has a strong East Bay presence, and I believe there is a similar org in San Francisco called SF POM (Parents of Multiples). We didn't hire a postpartum doula or night nurse, though I have heard anecdotally that a night nurse/doula for twins will cost around $60/hour, possibly more. 

    Join https://www.twinsbythebay.org! Our next new/expectant parent group is this Friday morning (we also do Tuesday evenings) and is open to all (no membership required).

    Congrats on the twins, how amazing! We are expecting our first (singleton) in May, so I can’t provide insights into overall costs of twins. However, we just hired a night doula and interviewed quite a few candidates and here is what we learned regarding cost: 
    -every candidate charged $45-$50 per hour for an 8 hour night shift. I don’t know if they charge more for twins. 
    -Many had a 4 night per week minimum, but not all. We found someone great who will be doing 2 nights a week. 

    We used Brilliant Births in Berkeley as the referral source. They will do an intake call with you to get information about what you are looking for, send out to their network, and then the doulas will contact you. They have a network of birth and post-partum doulas (day and night). 

    good luck!! 

    Congratulations on your twins! I, too, had twins from IVF--but long ago. So, I do not have specific answers for your financial questions. But, I will give a little advice from my experience. I hired a nanny for the first two years as both of us were working. When we compared costs, it was not that much more expensive at the time and she helped around the house while they were napping (baby laundry, cleaning bottles, etc). It also saved us from all the colds that they would have caught! At 2 and a half years or so, we transferred them to a pre-school situation and were very happy there until they were ready for kindergarten. A couple of other bits of unsolicited advice that I was given that really helped me: pump and bottle feed if that works for you. I was a great pumper and it allowed my spouse to help me with feeds and get his cuddly baby feeding time too. Find another twin mama who might be happy to be your hand-me-down or buy at a used price resource! I found one and then was the supplier for someone else. And, don't let anyone scare you about having twins! Experienced parents will moan and groan about how one was so hard, how can you possibly handle two? You can. The first bit is harder, yes. But, then it's easier in some ways when they are growing because they are the same level developmentally. So excited for you!!--Twin Mama

  • Au pair for twins?

    Feb 20, 2019

    Hello Parents- we are very excited about our twins. we need some help/advice, we work full time and will need a full time live-in nanny for our twins. these are hard to come by. does anyone have experience getting aupair for twins?

    If you have any advice it will help

    Full time child care if very expensive and we don't want to have to sell our home 

    thanks

    I think an au pair could work in your situation. Just be aware of the regulations and limitations of having an au pair vs. a professional nanny. Au pairs are young and may or may not have a lot of experience with babies. The parents I know who have hired au pairs have had older children, but in theory you might find an au pair who is up to caring for two infants while you are at work.  Au pairs are regulated by the US State Department. They must be between 18 and 26 years old, they can work no more than 45 hours a week, and they must meet various regulations such as being proficient in English, having childcare experience, attending school while they are here, and passing a background check.  This usually means you will be hiring the au pair through an agency who has already vetted the au pair, which you will pay a fee for, on top of the salary you are required to pay the au pair (in addition to room and board.) You should think of the au pair as a young person who is visiting the U.S. and staying with you the host family, providing childcare in exchange for a place to stay and a small salary. Au pairs are not professional childcare providers. But you could make it work if you have room in your home and are willing to do some amount of supervision. See https://j1visa.state.gov/programs/au-pair for details.

    I'm in Lafayette with two kids, both me and my husband work full time outside the home and travel quite a bit.  I am on my 6th au pair (we started after my daughter turned 1 year old).  East of the Caldecott there are au pairs everywhere - I think there are 3 within walking distance of my home...

    Initially I also explored the live in nanny route and contacted Town & Country. I was basically told that it is very hard to find live in candidates in this area.  So we tried the au pair route and for the most part it has been successful.  Au pairs, when they work well, are AMAZING. The flip is that when they don't work well it can be pretty rough; you have someone living in your home.  As another posted stated, they are not professional nannies; they are very young (mostly) women, often with little formal childcare experience.  There is a lot of guidance/training, but the rewards in terms of flexibility and cost make it well worth it.  To be successful, you have to completely shift your expectations of what you get; it will not be like a nanny.  If you are interested, I'd speak with host families who do have au pairs to get more of a sense. Or reach out to one of the many agencies, speak with a Local Childcare Coordinator (LCC) to understand if the program is right for you.

    I don't know how old your twins are, but most agencies have a special pool of "infant qualified" au pairs that have more experience with babies. An au pair could be a good fit, as long as your expectations are in line.  Good luck!

    I don’t have twins but I have three kids 3 and under and just welcomed our second au pair (our first one was with us for two years - the max time they can stay). We’ve been really happy with our au pairs and decided to use one because of cost and convenience. Realistically, we couldn’t afford daycare/preschool for three small kids (would have cost more than rent!) and it was important for us that we didn’t have the morning rush to get everyone ready, lunches packed and out the door, or having to do afternoon pick up. Flexibility with an au pair is so valuable. 

    At the same same time I would only suggest an au pair of you are sure you’ll be comfortable having them live with you and you are able to treat them with respect and not as “hired help” as I’ve seen many other families do. As the previous person said, they are not professional caregivers so you’ll be teaching them how to do almost everything (think of them as nannies doing their first job) and you should set expectations accordingly.

    We’ve loved having an au pair and plan to have one for the next several years even after kids are in school!