Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders (PANDAS/PANS)

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  • Hi. I checked out prior posts on this topic, and it has been years since the last recommendations. 
    Looking for recommendations of clinicians that diagnose and treat PANDAS. Thank you! 

    Please check out the Immune Behavioral Health clinic at Stanford. We've been working with them for years--and my son is finally in remission thanks to their diligence. https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/service/pans-pandas

    There is a Pans/Pandas clinic at Stanford. Dr Kiki Chang who was the founder/or lead psychiatrist at Stanford is in private practice.  Dr Cantwell in San Francisco is a holistic doc who treats Pans/Pandas.  The gold standard for kids with acute Pans symptoms is IVIG treatment monthly which if indicated, some doctors can get approved by insurance for at least six months, sometimes 9-12 months or longer. 

    Hi, I'm sorry you're going through this, it can be tricky getting care. There's a list of practitioners on the Pandas Network website https://pandasnetwork.org/understanding-pandas/

    Some of the clinicians are no longer treating Pans/Pandas/AE, but there's a list and a place to start. Stanford doesn't accept our insurance so we cobbled together providers straddling the medical docs and the behavioral people. The medicine won out for us. IVIG was a big help, but OCD is a difficult condition and you should become educated on that. We joined some support groups and IOCF  https://iocdf.org/  and got a lot of good information.

    On a different note, if your child also has POTS and/or chronic fatigue from this, we got some good info from DynaKids (dysautonomia) https://www.dynainc.org/  and we used that to help with school. 

    Good luck. Also, maybe we can start our own Bay Area family group.

  • Support for Pans/Pandas

    Jul 16, 2018

    In a recent reply to a question about therapeutic schools a member here mentioned a pans/pandas diagnosis. I am currently trying to help a local family navigate this syndrome with their teen. They are having trouble finding local doctors with experience treating pans/pandas and are struggling to get the medical support they need. Please let me know if anyone has information about supportive medical programs or providers  in the area. Thanks so much!

    [Moderator Note] See past advice on BPN about Pans/Pandas here: https://www.berkeleyparentsnetwork.org/recommend/pandas

    Hello!

    I had responded about PANS/PANDAS. My son has PANS. It is helpful to find a Lyme Literate MD (LLMD) as they typically have the best background to aid in diagnosis and treatment. Many Integrative MDs can help as well. Amy Smith, NP in Mountain View is local. Hope this is helpful!

    Jennifer

    Sorry, one more thing: there is a Facebook support group that I’ve found very helpful: https://m.facebook.com/groups/189241844607935

  • Stanford PANS Clinic

    Jan 12, 2018

    Hi, My 5-year old daughter has PANS/PANDAS, and she's just been accepted into the Stanford PANS Clinic, and we're just looking for any feedback from other families who've gone there--the good, the not-so-good, things to watch out for, etc.  We're nervous about what they might recommend in terms of medical interventions, and we'd love to hear from other families experiences.  Thanks for considering.

    Hi there, I'd be happy to talk to you about our experiences there. We've been taking our son there since this past May. Feel free to contact me directly. 

    Kristin

  • I'm starting to suspect PANS/PANDAS for my son.  How do I rule that out?  Do you know of a specialist that has helped with this issue and can take it seriously?  

    Thank you.

    Any GP or pediatrician can order the bloodwork. I don't know how to explain it but there is a lot of ambiguity around pandas, and a lot of extremely insistent people on the internet who swear it's very common. Our pediatrician clearly did not fall into that camp but did order the tests for my son when I asked for it. I am not aware of any specialist locally in pandas (or tic disorders). And no, my son didn't in fact have pandas - it's very uncommon.

    There is a specialty clinic at Stanford.

    There is a program at Stanford which may be helpful for you. 

    http://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/service/pans-pandas

    Good luck!

    I have a child with PANS and it has been quite a journey. It is actually more common than one would think (1 in 200) and it is commonly misdiagnosed. I met 4 mothers in a 5 mile radius of me who have kids diagnosed with PANS or PANDAS. You very much DO need to have a specialist and those can be very hard to find. Most pediatricians have heard of it, but don't know the latest and correct testing, so things are missed, and you really need specific testing  This is a very helpful place to start http://www.pandasnetwork.org/  Follow your gut, you know your kid. The Standford clinic is very hard to get into, but you can always try. You will likely need to pay out-of-pocket for a specialist. There are people who have to fly their kids to be seen by someone, due to the need and lack of specialists. Wishing you all the best and I pray it's not PANS/PANDAS for your son! 

    ~ PANS Mama Warrior 

    I don't have a lot of advice because we're relatively new to this, but I can at least tell you how we managed to get a diagnosis and treatment. My 7-year-old son had sudden onset OCD this past spring after years dealing with cycles of tics and other issues. I stumbled across a PANDAS site and insisted his pediatrician test him for strep, even though he had no sore throat or fever. Turns out he was loaded with strep and was asymptomatic. Our pediatrician placed a referral for him to go to the Stanford clinic and he's been a patient there for several months. So, work with your pediatrician and really push her/him to do some preliminary tests and help you track down a specialist. As someone else mentioned, the Pandas Network is also a good resource and has a list of CA specialists: http://www.pandasnetwork.org/research-resources/us-providers/. Best of luck to you and your son. 

Hi - I realize this post is several months old but it showed up in my digest and, having been through what we went through, I want to spread the word to hopefully spare other families some of what we went through. 

Our child acted similarly (rage fits where it seemed like they weren't "there"/"themselves" - lights on but nobody home, and weirdly scripted-sounding comments), not to mention OCD-type behaviors, extreme insomnia, us walking on eggshells ...) and it turned out to be PANS/PANDAS. 

I urge you to at least consider whether to look into PANS/PANDAS. Traditional mental health providers are not often aware of it and do not understand that it takes a different approach to resolve (ibuprofen (anti-inflammatory), antibiotics, steroids, sometimes IVIG) & the usual modalities (talk therapy, SSRIs ...) may not work and might make things worse. 

We lost ~10 yrs due to various misdiagnoses (PDA was one, though the PDA parenting techniques/recommendations were more helpful than most of the advice we got on our journey) and unproductive approaches. The emergency rooms, crisis teams, etc. are not going to be familiar with it so unfortunately that's probably not a great solution.

Here are some resources that might help you figure out whether this might be part of what you're dealing with. Note that while the diagnostic criteria tend to focus on sudden/acute onset, this was not our experience - it came on more subtly. (Two quick and easy things to look at might be: (a) does your child ever have notably dilated pupils? (b) if they take ibuprofen (for a headache or whatever), does that seem to take the edge off for a little while?) Sending support and hope your way ...

https://aspire.care/symptoms-diagnosis/symptoms/

https://pandasnetwork.org/understanding-pandas/signs-and-symptoms/

https://kids.iocdf.org/what-is-ocd-kids/pandas/ 

My son had a similar situation. Research PANDAS/PANS. This is when an infection (virus, strep, Lyme, mold, or other issue) cause major behavioral regression. You may need to find a doctor knowledgeable about PANS/PANDAS to help you. My son is doing much better since getting a diagnosis! 

I can feel your pain. I would definitely recommend finding an eating disorder specialist immediately and also visit her physician if you haven't already. I was in a very similar situation with my daughter about a year ago (she was a few years younger than your daughter though). A previously picky eater, she rather suddenly became depressed and very avoidant of eating, with very OCD-like rules about food. We tried regular talk therapy for awhile and it was useless. The therapist claimed I was "giving her too much leeway" with food and that she must be acting out about some deep seated trauma (typical mother-blaming stuff!). Eventually she lost so much weight we ended up in the eating disorder unit at Stanford for a week. In her case, it turned out she was suffering from something called PANDAS and was treated with a combination of anti-depressants, anti-inflammatories, antibiotics and therapy.

 Now, that might not be the case with your daughter but no matter the underlying cause, I can highly recommend Elizabeth Burns Kramer in Rockridge, who specializes in eating disorders. http://www.elizabethburnskramer.com/ Elizabeth worked with us after my daughter came out of hospital and it made all the difference. She is super warm and kind and she helped us come up with some really creative strategies - not just talking! She is young too, and I think she would be relatable for teens. I can also recommend the book about childhood eating disorders called "Giving Food a Chance" by Julie O' Toole. It contains a ton of useful information and it reassured me that yes, my child was suffering from a eating disorder, and no, it wasn't my fault or hers! Best of luck to you and please feel free to reach out to me directly.