Moving to Seattle

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Parent Q&A

BPN-like site in Seattle area? Mar 4, 2021 (0 responses below)
Moving to Seattle Oct 23, 2019 (2 responses below)
Relocation to Redmond WA Jul 26, 2019 (3 responses below)
Moving to SEATTLE , need advise Jul 14, 2018 (1 responses below)
Move to Seattle? Jun 7, 2017 (1 responses below)
Relocating to Seattle Jul 18, 2016 (1 responses below)
  • BPN-like site in Seattle area?

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    We're moving to Seattle and will need to locate new childcare. Does anyone know if there is a BPN-like site for Seattle? 


  • Moving to Seattle

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    We are moving to Seattle next week and I am wondering if anyone knows about a site similar to Berkeley Parents Network there. We will need to buy a house, find a new nanny, and get settled in. I’ve found this website to be extremely useful for our family. Please let me know if you know of similar resources in the Seattle area. Thanks!

    [Moderator note] See "Moving to Seattle" on the BPN website for recent suggestions about parent networks, etc.]

    RE: Moving to Seattle ()

    Hi there. I’m originally from Seattle and now live in West Oakland. PEPS aim West Seattle is sort of a similar network but not as broad and not as much to offer as BPN. As far as networking and resources—it’s more of an early childhood network specifically. However, I’m assuming someone within that network may know of another one, depending on what your needs are. PEPS I believe is also more so focused on families and resources within West Seattle. So if you’re moving North or South, you’ll have to look into something else. Seattle is an amazing place to raise a family and live! A big difference you’ll notice from Cali is all the FREE events, resources, parks and recreational activities and festivities. It’s not as congested as the Bay Area. The Seattle Center, museums etc always have fun stuff for families. Either first or last Thursday’s of the month, most museums and some theaters are free for families... like the EMP. You can sign up for “tiny tix” and get more free admissions and fun stuff to museums etc and shows and theaters for the family. Alki Beach. Lincoln Park. Healthcare is amazing in the state of WA. If you have a more specific area of Seattle you know you’ll be finding a house in, you can respond and I’ll let you know what there might be in the area. 

    RE: Moving to Seattle ()

    We moved down to the Bay area from Seattle a year ago.  There are several similar online parents groups in Seattle, but they are generally organized by neighborhood - we lived on Queen Anne and I recommend checking out Queen Anne Moms and Dads (yahoo group).  Another great parent resource for activities etc is  Good luck with the move!  

  • Relocation to Redmond WA

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    Does anyone know if there is a group like this in the Seattle Area? We are relocating to Redmond (30 minutes outside of Seattle) and I know very little about the area.. I assume I can do next but it isn’t the same! 

    Thank you! Don’t want to leave BPN’ers! 

    RE: Relocation to Redmond WA ()

    We have friends in Redmond who just had a baby and suggested PEPS if you have young children

    RE: Relocation to Redmond WA ()

    I know Redmond very well.  You'll be in the middle of Microsoft country.  Traffic is just as bad as in the Bay Area so are housing prices.  It's beautiful, green and you'll get a lot of rains and some snow. compared to the Bay Area.  I know Microsoft has an internal BPN like mailing lists but it's for Microsoft employees only.  If you are living in Redmond Seattle is a haul so you'll be spending your time in Bellevue.  There are so many Microsoft employees it's like you are living in a company town.  Amazon and one of the cell phone companies have a large presence in surrounding cities. There are a lot of Indians living there and you'll find a lot of Indian (not native American) culture.  Do you like Indian food?  There are lots of Indian restaurants.  Do  you like fish?  Especially salmon?  My favorite restaurant is a Thai restaurant, Bai Tong.  It's by Safeway.  Your find the all of the same stores you find in San Francisco and you will get the feeling you are in in San Francisco, but you know you aren't.  People joke that Bellevue is a San Francisco want to be.  I have always felt safe there.  I would say Redmond, Bellevue and Kirkland are all much safer than San Francisco.  (Kirkland is a bit like Sausalito) Seattle is a different story, it's on par with SF and they have their homeless as well.  If you like wine your close to Washington's "Napa Valley".  In general the people there are all very nice but I will say there is a lot of flashy wealth to impress.  Not my thing, so to me it's a negitive  I guess best way to describe Redmond would be to say it's living in Cuppertino/Sunnyvale, Palo Alto or  "Apple teritory".  Everyone in the town works/worked for or depends on Microsoft for a job.  Oh, and you know about the weather, right?  I think they hold the record for the city with the most overcast days or days you won't see the sun.  I think it was somethig like 3 months.

    Hope this gives you some idea of what you are for.  It's not bad place, but I think moving there from the Bay Area will take some adjusting.  Hope you will like it.  If not, remember you can always move back.

    RE: Relocation to Redmond WA ()

    I also recommend PEPS. We had a great experience with it when we lived in Washington. Very supportive and a great way to meet friends.

  • Moving to SEATTLE , need advise

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    HI my family and i are planning a move to Seattle in the next 3-4 months as my husband has a job opportunity , we would be looking to rent for a few months as we are unfamiliar with the state, in the long term we plan on owning a home, in the suburbs, as we would like a small wooded lot, ( nothing huge) . We would like to be located near a light rail or ferry access to the city . Other important things to us would be close proximity to parks , as we enjoy nature and hiking with our dog and toddler, a good school system, families, need a community, would love a little town square setting with shops and dinners that we could walk around, side walks in the neighborhood, looking to buy in the 450k area.  guess its the american dream , but worth a try. any advise on where to rent to places to call home would be very appreciated . Thanks in advance . 

    Congratulations! Seattle is lovely, but as I'm sure you have heard, getting very pricey.  The median home price in King County is now over $725,000, up 15% from last year, so it is rising quite rapidly. Rents are generally high, so you'll probably want to buy sooner rather than later.

    Seattle is also very congested, so you really need good transit.  My niece in Seattle lives in the Beacon Hill/Southeast Seattle region, commutes on the Metro downtown, and is super happy.  I visited the area for the first time 2 years ago and found it charming and more laid-back than the central part of Seattle, and I'm told it's more "affordable." That being said, I don't know neighborhood specifics (where the good schools are, what's wooded, in your price range, etc.).

    It wouldn't hurt to contact some realtors, tell them your price range, and see what neighborhoods they suggest you look at. I can refer you to someone familiar with the Beacon Hill/Southeast area if you want a local perspective from a native; you can contact me through BPN.

    Seattle is really lovely in summer.  If you are able to fly up now (rather than in 3-4 months) to scout out neighborhoods, I'd really recommend it. You will also want to allow extra time to find a rental that will let you have a dog.

    Good luck!  Contact me if you want that local referral.

  • Move to Seattle?

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    My family may have an opportunity to move to the Seattle area, but we're really on the fence. We'd love to leave the bay area primarily because of housing costs (we'll never realistically be able to afford to buy a home in a safe area and our rent increases about 10% every year) and traffic (my commute is about an hour each way), and it would be nice to live in a more Christian-friendly area. Looking at where friends and family live around the country, we see there are so many places where you can buy a nice house in a good neighborhood with excellent schools for under $200k. We both work in specialized fields where jobs aren't available everywhere, and while there are jobs in Seattle, it doesn't seem to be any better than here with traffic and housing, and it lacks some of the great things about the bay area. So my questions :

    1. What are your top pros and cons about living in Seattle? 

    2. What cities should we look at moving to, considering affordability, safety, school quality, and commute? Our jobs would likely be in Seattle, Kent, and/or Bellevue, and we have a soon-to-be 4th grader.

    Thank you! 

    RE: Move to Seattle? ()

    We left Oakland for Seattle this past October. We love it, it's like a better version of the Bay Area.  Very family friendly and lots to do. The traffic is bad, but at least there are investments in transport and the buses are good. Housing is expensive but nowhere near as insane as what we saw in Oakland. We were able to buy in a great Seattle neighborhood and would never have been able to do so in a comparable East Bay Area.  Most areas are very safe and public schools on the north side of town are generally good. 

  • Relocating to Seattle

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    We are moving from Oakland to Seattle in a couple months and would appreciate any advice on neighborhoods that are great for toddlers. Also, recommendations on moving services (local movers in Seattle, most cost-effective way to move a 2BR apartment) would be great! Thanks!

    RE: Relocating to Seattle ()

    We live in Seattle, so I don't have any advice about moving companies, but there are many great Neighborhoods, depending on your budget and what you're looking for.  Rentals are expensive, but likely not a shock if you're moving from the Berkeley area. 

    Look at Greenlake, Wallingford, Mapleleaf, --all in North West Seattle, close to small shopping and restaurant strips, parks, and neighborhood houses with sidewalks and lots of trees, gardens.  These are lovely places to live--not very diverse, however.

    Beacon Hill, Seward Park, Madrona are south of the city--also nice neighborhoods, some close to Lake Washington.  More diverse, Beacon Hill might be less expensive. 

    Laurelhurst, Bryant, newer bigger houses--more expensive, good parks, very nice, if that's what you are looking for--more expensive. (don't have a real central shopping/restaurant strip).

    Capital Hill--some young hip sections, some beautiful old houses--strong LGBT community.

    Each neighborhood in Seattle has it's own character.  Most neighborhoods have a street/area with grocery stores and restaurants and a few shops, so if walking to those things is important, look for a house near those streets.  It would be good to come up and look at the different areas since there's a different feel for each. 

Archived Q&A and Reviews

Relocating to Seattle - how to find daycare?

July 2015

Our family is contemplating leaving the Bay Area for Seattle. We love
our daycare here and are nervous about having to launch a child care
search from here. Anyone know if there's a Berkeley Parents Network
equivalent in Seattle? Anyone here happen to relocate from Seattle and
have a daycare to recommend?  Any advice or tips appreciated.

Hi Megan,

We just moved to Seattle and have gone through the daycare hunt, and I'd be happy to share our experiences.  There isn't anything as robust as BPN, but there are neighborhood listservs that can be helpful (although more for nannies and shares than for daycares).  Please feel free to email me and I'll tell you more about what we've learned.  Emily

I used to live in Seattle and I only knew of neighborhood groups like Madrona Moms and Ballard parents (both Yahoo groups). you could access one of those or find out it the neighborhood your interested has its own group.  love the emerald city

Move back to Seattle?

April 2015

My husband and I moved with our young daughter about 8
months ago from Seattle to Redwood City. We need some advice
because we are strongly considering moving back to Seattle.

Some background: We moved from Seattle because I got a job
offer here on the Peninsula. We came down to visit and it
felt like an easy decision given that we have family here,
there is lots of sunshine, and lots of work opportunities. 

What we didn't realize was how hard it would be to find a
house to buy in our price range (750k). We weren't expecting
that housing would go up by 100k since we looked last June,
and now we can no longer afford to buy a house here that
allows for a reasonable commute (30 min or less). 

We are also finding it really hard to make friends and meet
new people. We have joined several parenting groups but
nothing has really stuck. I feel like everyone already has
their circles and isn't interested. 

Basically we're looking for advice on whether or not we
should stick it out here longer.  Our lease is up in a
couple months and we are trying to decide if we should head
back to Seattle or renew for another 6 months. Any advice on
other things we should try, do or what worked for you? Thank
you in advance.  Bay Area Bummer

It takes a long time to make friends and also a lot of
effort. I don't think eight months is enough time to decide
that you will never be able to have the community you want.
As to housing, it's obscene how much families have to pay
for even the most basic dwelling. But I've been told that
it's ok to buy a more expensive house than you think you can
afford because future earnings are likely to increase. Good
luck!  Joanie

Yes, you should go back while you have the chance. The
Peninsula can be soul-less, as you have already perceived.
You are priced out and good weather only goes so far. There
is a reason why all those tech companies run shuttle buses
from SF to 40+ miles away on the peninsula! 

If you are going to pay exorbitant rent/mortgage you might
as well live somewhere with character and charm. You wont
regret going back and your money will go a lot further in
Seattle, not to mention schooling options when your child
hits grade school.  Former Seattlite

We moved from MountainView to Seattle  -  the EastSide,
really  -  and bought a home there.   Then, a job-change
moved us back to SanJose, and we bought a home here.

When we left Seattle, we rented our home to a wonderful

Since we left Seattle, the estimated value of our home on
the EastSide has greatly increased and our property taxes
have increased by four-thousand dollars per year.
(Washington property taxes are not restricted, so rising
property taxes may indicate that real property values are
rising  -  and rising fast! )

If I were you, I'd double-check what home values are
in-and-near Seattle before making any move.   You might want
to take a good look at ZILLOW.COM Because we're near
'retirement,' we're glad we kept our home in The Emerald

When it comes to settling in to a new community, it takes
time - 8 months is very early to give up on that front.
Especially if you have family here, which is precious, that
is a reason to stick it out.

I would agree that people in the Bay Area are busy and when
I moved here originally I found the same thing that you did
- people seemed to have their friends and activities already

However, there are other ways of finding your niche.  Some
things that worked for us and others we know- volunteering
with a local group, hobbies/activities, church/temple, kids'
storytimes/activities at the library,  hanging out at

As for finding housing, we went through this in the first
dot com boom. Husband works for a company on the Peninsula
and we found that everything close by was very expensive.  I
don't have a crystal ball - for us, we settled in the East
Bay and now hubby telecommutes. But having been through the
boom cycle before, and seeing housing go up and up for years
before it went down (before going up again), I can't tell
you what your future will hold... and if you can have a more
stable lifestyle in a home in Seattle, that would probably
be a reason to go back in my book. I wish I had a more
simple answer, but hoping this is helpful information in
your decision.  former newcomer to the Bay

I think you should definitely consider moving back to
Seattle. SF Bay Area is too expensive, rent is skyrocketed
and is overall hard on families (families being pushed out
due to high cost of living). People are underpaid,
overworked, and the current climate makes it impossible for
families to make it. Everyone is clinging from paycheck to
paycheck. My Husband (he's a transplant from D.C., here in
CA for 20 years) and I (I'm a local/native SF Bay Area) make
decent money, have a 12 month old daughter, and we're
struggling in CA. We're considering moving to Maryland/D.C.
to start a new life where homeownership is possible, saving
money is in the cards, and have more family support. 

I just wanted to let them know that you gave it your best
shot, but SF Bay Area is tough, and moving back to Seattle
might be a better option. 


Bay Area to Seattle for the taxes?

Oct 2014

Someone posted previously about moving from the bay area to
Portland for a better work life balance, good schools,
bigger bang for buck real estate, slower pace, etc. I have a
similar question about Seattle. However, we have good lives
here and don't feel stressed. The reason we are wondering
about moving to Seattle is because WA state does not have
income taxes. We could save  around $45,000 a year just by
living there instead of CA and not needing to pay income
taxes. Culturally and in terms of natural scenery it seems
to have the positives of the bay area. We are flexible in
terms of moving. I'm a SAHM and my husband's situation is
very fortunate in terms of doing his job there if we like.
The thing stopping us is the fact that it is overcast 200
days out of the year. How depressing is it actually? Are we
crazy to consider this? Having that money for college (we
have a 2 year old and will have another baby in a couple
years), retirement and for helping support aging parents in
the years to come is very attractive. So is the idea of not
having to worry about good schools for when our kids are
high school aged (we are happy with the elementary school
here and most everything else about the feel of our
neighborhood). We could potentially rent out our house and
give it a try for a year first.  Wondering

I lived in Seattle for three years. I had lived in the
Washington DC area for 25 years and then moved to Seattle
while my significant other went to grad school at UW. I
didn't care for the area at all. As far as the weather, I
worked in a semi-outdoor profession and remember three years
of shivering in people's wet backyards with cold feet. My
hubby on the other hand was a student so he thinks the
weather was fine. When we moved to the Bay Area, for the
first six months I woke up everyday thinking what's wrong
with the weather?, it's so sunny and beautiful today.
Sometimes my husband talks about going back to Seattle and I
tell him to send me a postcard from time to time. I would
not go back under any circumstances. Oh, and 200 days of
overcast is definitely optimistic. Learn the term sun break,
because that is your only sun, and you only get in on late
summer days at around 3 to 4 in the afternoon. 

From the Urban Dictionary: sun break When the sun appears in
a cloudy sky for a little while, then gets covered again. 

Commonly used in Seattle, WA.
'Sure is cloudy this morning.' 

'Look outside, there's a sun break, how beautiful.'
cringing at the memory

If you don't pay state income taxes, you lose that federal
tax deduction (assuming you itemize).  You should try
visiting in the winter before making a decision.  I went to
college in Portland (and loved it), law school in the Bay
Area, and then moved to Seattle -- assuming that the weather
would not be an issue for me.  It was, and I quickly
returned to California.  It wasn't just the overcast and the
rain.  It was also the very short days.  Your husband's job
might have enough flexibility that this would not be an
issue, but I found it very depressing to go to work in the
dark and come home in the dark and hardly see the sun for
days on end.  On the plus side, the summer days are extra
long, the city is beautiful, the ferry system is great,
there are lots of get-away places close to town, and so
forth and so on.  AboutTheSame

I would like to point out that 2/3 of Washington State is on
the OTHER side of the Cascades, in their rain shadow, and is
quite dry and much sunnier than Seattle. It is less urban
and has fewer amenities, but you could look at Yakima or
Ellensburg or Richland. They've got sunshine and no income
tax (and a much cheaper cost-of-living than here or

My sister lives in Seattle, and though she jokes that it's
the only part of the world that refers to days as 'partly
sunny' instead of 'partly cloudy,' my impression is that as
long as you don't have seasonal affective disorder, it's
fine. It has a similar weather pattern to the entire west
coast--wet winters and dry summers. They are wetter than
here, but the bad weather skews toward winter, with summers
that are relatively dry and sunny. It sounds like they get
rain every 2 or 3 weeks during the summer, judging from my
sister's comments on when she needs to water her yard.

I travel to Seattle many times a year staying anywhere from
a few days to over a week for many years.  (I love the
flight on SWA, make sure you always get a Eastward looking
window so you can see all of the mountains.

Hate to say it, but there's not much I like.  Seattle to me
is a miniature SF, but just not quite as nice or fun.  It
can get cold, (too cold for my liking.)  When it snows the
whole city is a nightmare as no one knows how to drive in
the snow.  Spring and Summers are nice but I can't stand how
it's overcast almost all of the time.  Unlike California it
rains quite a bit and there can be intense storms, leaving
you without power for days if not a week.  Few years ago I
was there and it looked like a hurricane had hit the entire
coast.  Trees were ripped out of the grown and there were
huge broken branches everywhere.

I think the people are very nice, but the traffic is just
like the Bay Area if not much worse.  Then add to that rain
or snow and a few accidents it's a nightmare.

Another thing you will have to deal with is the 'new' money.
Amazon, T-Mobile, Microsoft and others have brought a lot of
'new' wealth and foreigners to the area.  Many who have the
'new' wealth are into showing it off.  Cars, restaurants,
houses, clothes, boats, etc.  I probably notice it more
because I'm not a local but it's something that is always
subtly there.  Expect to see parking lots with many cars
costing well over $150k.

The Tech industry has also driven up home prices.  Be
prepared to spend less, (but not a lot less) for housing.

The food scene is almost as good as San Francisco.  The tech
companies have brought immigrants from all over the world
and the foods they eat.

I know very little about the schools.  From the little I
know, it sounds like they are better than what we have here.

If you love nature you are living in it or it's short drive.
Leavenworth and Lake Chelan are very nice but I prefer
Tahoe.  The area has many nice museums, galleries and
interesting places to visit.  (But them again the Bay Area
is noticeably better.)

If I were asked to move there, (and I've considered it), I
would decline. The number one reason and two reason would be
the traffic and the overcast days.  I would just miss all of
the stuff one can do in SF, Seattle is just not the same.  I
would also miss how quick and easy it is to get a change in
scenery Tahoe, Gold country, Napa/Sonoma, Santa Cruz, the
delta, etc.  I would also miss the Bay and the beautiful not
to hot not too cold days we have almost all year round.

Hope this helps.

I can't give you advice on Seattle, but suggest you check
your math before moving.  If you're currently paying $45K in
CA income taxes, that means you're making at least $400K per
year (and probably closer to $500K) - which means you really
should be able to save for college or private school or
whatever else no matter what.  If, instead (and as I suspect
is the case), you're talking about $45K for state and
federal taxes - slow down, you still need to pay federal
taxes in WA so would only save a fraction of that.  Check
your math please

I think that if you're even willing to consider going
without sun for such extended periods of time (I considered
it too and realized that I absolutely could NOT handle it),
then it might be something that you could handle. Aside from
especially dreary winters here, have you ever experienced
months and months of cold rain & overcast skies, with no
break at all? If you have, and you didn't go nuts then you
may be a good candidate for Seattle. It's a wonderful place
in so many other ways. I would suggest that you do rent your
house out and try it for 2 years before making a final
decision. At that point your older child will be ready for K
and you'll want to stay planted. Good luck!  (Nice to have
such freedoms and 'luxury problems,' eh? We are so lucky
here in America and I forget it all the time... Even my
family, although we struggle financially somewhat, we have
such CHOICE in our lives. I need to remember that, when I'm
feeling stressed.) /another Mama tryin' to save $

I think you may want to recheck your math before making your
move. I am sure other people will tell you this, but keep in
mind that you will still have to pay federal income tax,
which is a bigger chunk than state income tx. Your post
seemed to imply that you wouldn't have to pay any income
taxes, and the $45K you talk about in savings seems to
reflect that. Also, I did a bit of digging myself, and it
sounds like Washington makes up for the lack of income tax
by having very high sales, property, and vehicle
registration tax. Plus, California has a reputation of
pursuing former residents for taxes-- if they can prove you
spent 183 days as a resident in the state, they will get you
for income tax...  apparently the state is notorious for
using things like board memberships, etc. to prove this
residency and force former residents to pay taxes in the
year they move.

I am sure there are others on the board with more expert
opinions, but it really sounds to me like you didn't do your
homework. If it was such a huge savings to move to
Washington, everyone would be doing it... right?  no such
thing as a free lunch

Seattle is an amazingly beautiful place, surrounded by snow
capped mtns and water. In the (few) months when it is sunny
it is heaven. But yes it is overcast a good portion of the
year and in the end its why after living there twice for 5
yrs total I had to move back to CA. Its really May and June
that are depressing because its when you expect it to be
nice if you're from CA and its still overcast. Did you both
grow up here? It seems to me that people generally tolerate
what they are used to and CA is nearly impossible to beat
weather-wise. If you're used to this you may have a hard
time adjusting. I also don't think some of the things you
mention about Seattle are going to be that different than
here. Traffic is just as bad there; do you know for a fact
that the schools are good? I've heard otherwise if you're
talking about Seattle proper (but I don't have firsthand
knowledge). I don't think it would be a slower life. Also
have you done a cross comparison of other taxes you would
pay- sales tax is high there (as it is here too). Will you
really save 45K in STATE taxes? That seems high but maybe
you make a TON of money. If you make that much you can
afford to fly to sunny places for vacations throughout the
year in the cloudy months! (this is how some seattleites
tolerate it.)

Having lived in both Seattle and Portland I found Seattle
gets more sun. A favorite saying in Seattle is that if you
don't like the (current) weather just wait ten minutes.
Common to have (real) rain and sunshine in the same day.

Portland however has many gloomy days and a fine drizzel
that can seem oppressive. When the sun does com out though
it is a welcome sight and it is nice if your type of
work/job can allow you to get out and enjoy it.


Hi wondering,

My husband and I lived just outside Seattle (on the east
side - similar to where Berkeley is 'east bay' to SF) for 4
years.  My husband had grown up in the North Bay and I had
lived there for 10 years so we were looking for a change.
We visited Seattle in January 2007, in the dead of winter,
and loved it.  

Here are the things we loved about it - super bike friendly,
trails everywhere, dog friendly, people friendly, new and
happening restaurants and nightlife, the bus system is clean
and right on time (every time), the scenery will take your
breath away, boating, less expensive housing options than
down here, and there is a different and very progressive
mind set there. There is a huge ethnic population there
which lends to great restaurants and grocery stores and
festivals and such.

Here are the things we didn't like about it - we moved away
from our friends and family.  The first year we had so many
visitors from down here we talked about getting a bigger
place.  The second year, only two family members came up.
The third year, only one.  

Of course, we were fine with the visits (or not) but we
ended up having a child and decided that we wanted the child
to grow up around their family and knew the family would not
come to see us, so we moved back.  If we had not had our
child we would still be in Seattle.

Yes, it's grey.  It's grey almost the entire year (no joke.)
But we didn't find any problem with it because we knew what
we were moving to - Seattle is grey, it's not the Bay Area
sunshine.  We spent a lot of time outdoors, biking and
hiking and camping and exploring in the grey as that's what
you do.  Honestly, you will either get used to it and love
it or you'll move back.  If you go up knowing what you are
getting into and not expecting another 'bay area up north'
then you will love it too.

We will definitely move back when the time it right.
loving seattle

I'm the SAHM who originally posted to BPN asking if it was
crazy to move our little family to Seattle from the Bay
Area, considering the weather as well as social/cultural
aspects of life there, in order to redirect money spent on
state income taxes towards savings (I am referring
specifically to state and not federal income taxes). We very
fortunately/blessedly/luckily have enough to meet our needs,
to set aside 10% of our net income to charitable giving, and
to save for college, retirement, and plan future care for
aging parents.  Yet though we love it here, the idea of
saving $45k a year towards those goals simply by living some
place else got us to wondering if we would also love it
there. I wanted to write in again to express my sincere
appreciation to those who shared your insights. It's amazing
to think of strangers taking time out of your busy lives to
answer a question we've wondered about privately.  It was so
helpful to read about your experiences and to make note of
some of the concrete details you pointed out. I first moved
to Berkeley to start my Ph.D. program in 2006, and
considering that I still recall that winter having what
seemed like 2 endless months of dreary rain, your resounding
reminder of the power of the weather to condition the joy of
our daily l lives is a good one.  -not wondering quite as

Moving from Bay area to Seattle - Areas? Schools?

Oct 2012

We will be moving from the Bay area to Seattle at the end of
this coming February.

We live in El Cerrito, and our daughter attends private
school here.

When we move to Seattle, we will be putting her in public
school.  She is in 6th grade, and will obviously be starting
late in the year at the public school in Seattle.  

I have been searching for areas that we will be able to stay
in both the middle and high school.  We were told West
Seattle was good, but from what I can see we would be able
to send her to the middle school, but then have to move to
another area for high school.  The high schools in West
Seattle look horrible in terms of 'student body' and test
scores. I have heard good things about Ballard, as well as
Ravenna,  but I don't know.  I am also looking into the
Queen Anne area, but I can't tell which middle school(s) &
high school(s) are for that area.

We are looking for a school that is safe, and as I said,
where we can utilize both the middle and high school and not
have to uproot her again.  We will be able to take the extra
money that we are using on private school here and put it
towards a higher rent in Seattle if it means a better public

Our daughter has a very 'artsy' personality, and doesn't 'go
with the flow' but loves science and math.  I would love if
the school we send her to in Seattle has an excellent
Science or Math program.

Any suggestions?

Thank you.
Soon to Be Seattle Transplant

Our years in the Seattle area were wonderful.

Get a house that has skylights for the short days of winter
(or put some skylights in), and love wonderful very long
summer days with blissfully-long warm evenings !   Know that
your neighbourhood will be green in a way that
SanFrancisco's EastBay just cannot ever be;  it's so green
in and around Seattle, even air is 'green' and fresh !

Seattle has 'good' schools, and some not-so-'good.'
Schools in Belleveu are national award winning !    Bellevue
has neighbourhoods of upper-income, middle-income, and
lower-income, so schools are a delightful hodgepodge of
democracy in action.   (Unfortunately, although MercerIsland
has great schools, MercerIsland schools are plagued with
'rich kid' syndrome.)

Commuting is sometimes a problem because, if you have to use
either US Route 90 floating bridge or 520 (just to the
north) across Lake Washington, commute hours can be slow,
there are some tolls (recent additions), and weather can
close bridges.  SanFrancisco is nice, but ...

Having just moved from the Seattle area last year, I recall
that the best schools were the Bellevue and the Lake
Washington School District schools (especially Sammammish).
On the Seattle side of Lake Washington, generally the
Seattle neighborhoods that were farther north (such as
Phinney Ridge) generally had better schools than those
farther south, although once you get into Everett they go
downhill fast. Lynnwood has somewhat ok schools as well.
Bellevue has a few magnent schools that get especially good
marks, including the International School where the kids are
taught a foreign language from early on. In general, most
areas are fairly safe, although in the Central Area and
South Park there is some crime, and both Renton and Everett
have bad reputations (though I don't know how well deserved
they are). Seattle a very clean, beautiful city.  In
general, commuting on 405, 520, or 90 (all the major
freeways) can be quite tough, especially if you don't have
flexible hours or one of those corporate buses (such as the
Microsoft shuttle bus). One thing to get used to is that
most people employed there are working for either Microsoft
or Boeing, although that is changing as Amazon and Google
get bigger. Microsoft employees get all kinds of perks,
including practically free admission to most of the local
attractions.  Misses the Northwest

I moved to the Seattle area last year and we decided to live
in Bellevue even though my husbands job is in Seattle.
Bellevue has great schools, newer homes, access to both
Seattle and Redmond/Bellevue/Eastside jobs (for me). 520 and
90 bridges get to Seattle but theres currently construction
ongoing on 520, which means some weekends the bridge is
closed. They are pretty good about keeping 520 clear during
the week though. Also, 520 now has a toll (3-6 dollars
depending on the time of day, I believe)

I know that some areas in Seattle have good schools too, but
the school district is currently in flux, so you may want to
keep that in mind while looking for a place. I have a friend
who lives in Wallingford and whose kids go to a Spanish
Immersion school in the area. Shes very happy with her

New in Seattle too


Moving to Seattle - grad. student

Aug 2011

My son will be moving in Sept. to Seattle to attend grad. school. He is looking for an apt. or rental in the area north of the Univ. of Washington. He did email the police to find out the safer areas but has not heard back. What neighborhoods are safer than others? He heard the Greenlake district is pretty good. Does anyone know of a website which is similar to BPN in the Seattle area that lists rentals (something other than Craigslist)? Any advice will be welcome.

Seattle's a pretty safe city compared to most big cities. All the areas north of campus are very nice. Roosevelt, Ravenna, Green Lake, and even closer to campus than those are fine... Wallingford and Fremont are west of campus and great areas. East is good, too - near University Village shopping center. Honestly, I'd probably only avoid the area right around University Way ('The Ave,' like Telegraph only less seedy) from 45th south. Best of luck!

I don't know of a web site or list serve up there but I recall seeing lots of 'for rent' signs on apartment buildings and homes. Stuff north of the University (north of U district is fine. So is stuff west of the university towards Wallingford all along 45th and on either sid of 45th. Wallingford is a very nice neighborhood. Some homes may be rentable or folks may be renting out a room. A bus runs regularly along 45th, I think,and straight to the 'U'

Greenlake is nice and if he likes to run or walk, then around the lake is great for it. A nice loop. I think buses are probably pretty good up to Greenlake, too.

Probably lots of rental houses in Montlake area which is south of 'the cut' (south of the canal just on the southside of campus).

East of the U, towards U Village and Sand Point Way there are homes and apartments. Probably also a regular bus. Not sure how many students live out that way. A nice neighborhood, too and Magnuson park is right on Lake Washington.

Lots of apartments along Eastlake Drive, and buses. it is just east of Lake Union, but that is further from the U.

So lots of good neighborhoods.Good farmers markets 3 seasons out of the year. Good coffee. good bus system and good food. Very nice folks. good workout gym for students near U village side of campus. Just remember there is not much day light in the winter due to the short days. If this is somewhat important to him, make sure he does not get a basement apartment.

Congrats to him - I'm sure he'll find a good place. anonymous

Moving to Seattle -need 'hood & school recs

Jan 2009

I am a work from hom Dad of three (5yr, 3yr and 9 mo)and my wife is being transferred to work in dwntwn seattle. With our oldest starting Kindergarten in the Fall of 09 - I am panicking about figuring out neighborhoods ASAP to rent or buy so I can get her into school. My wife will work downtown and would prefer a shortish communte. I am a Bay area native (Oakland as a kid and college at Cal) and hate leaving Alameda - where we love walking all over the island and taking the ferry or Bart to work. Any suggestions on great neighbrohoods for families with young kids with reasonable access to downtown? Are the islands worth looking into (Mercer, Bainbridge, etc)? I have looked on the archives but most of the posts are several years old and I know the housing climate has changed. Help! Kevin

Hi and congrats on your upcoming move. I grew up in Seattle, and lived there (with two young kids) until 3 years ago. My brother + family and sister + family also live there. So I expect I can give you some help in your choices.

Here are somethings you probably want to ask yourself:
1) Do you want to live in an urban or suburban area?
2) public, private or parochial schools?
3) Racially diverse (good luck with that) or are you OK being in an almost entirely caucasian neighborhood?
4) rent or buy? How much can you afford? How much space do you need?
5) will you have two cars or do you need to be near public transportation?

I'd be happy to have a phone call or email exchange with you to talk about the different options based on your answers to these questions. Or the easy way out - live in Seattle (crossing bridges = bad commute). I've lived in Phinney, Fremont, Ballard, Ravenna and loved them all. I like Columbia City (up and coming, more racially diverse) and wallingford (to crowded but cute). the Seattle Times School Guide and pick your neighborhood based on your school requirements (I don't send my kids to public school so it's tough for me to say). Sharma

We moved to Seattle when our son was five. I can relate! We needed to buy a house because we sold a place here right after the dot com bust. So, we researched kid friendly neighborhoods, housing and schools all in late June! So, you have a bit of a jump on timing for looking at schools. We selected Madrona as a neighborhood because it is super for families and it is 10 minutes at the most from downtown. The term they use in Seattle is ''in city''. The islands are too far of a commute and I would not recommend them as they are very suburban in feel and if you are used to Berkeley, then you will like the urban feel of Capitol Hill, Madrona, Montlake, Columbia City, Central, Madison Valley and Mount Baker. Those are my faves. Madrona has a ''madrona moms'' network that is very strong, very helpful, just like this list serve is. I highly recommend Madrona. And you will be pleased to find out that residential real estate is 30% cheaper in Seattle than the Bay Area. Good luck to y! ou and feel free to email me directly. I have fond memories of Seattle and would move back some day if circumstances dictated. octobercat

I'm originally from Seattle and still have many good friends there. Here is the response from one who has a 12-year-old in public schools:

''I think the deadline for kindergarten registration is at the end of Feb., so panicking seems perfectly reasonable. I would put Phinney Ridge (the zoo, lots of good restaurants, the phinney neighborhood association) and Ravenna (great parks and third place books, and there is a nice rec center there with kids classes and a drop-in play space) at the top of my list for kid-friendly neighborhoods. I think they both have good bus service to downtown, at least during commuter hours. I really don't think of Mercer Island to downtown as a shortish commute. Anything east of Lake Washington can make for an unpleasant commute regardless of the distance in miles. Bainbridge might be okay if you didn't mind the cost of the ferry and parking. But it seems to me that the islands would make you much more car dependent than you would be in a close-in neighborhood like Ravenna, Greenlake, Fremont or Phinney. So there's my two cents! I wish them good luck!!''

My additional two cents is that Bainbridge and Mercer Island both are much snootier than Alameda. I would not recommend. Magnolia is a small-townish, kid-friendly neighborhood very close to downtown. That's where I spent my high school years. Queen Anne Hill is much hipper and busier, but still great and very walkable - you can even walk to downtown from there (or bus it).

Good luck! Seattle is great. The only caveat is that it's a bit harder to meet people there. But maybe with kids it'll be easier? Alexandra

Hi! My husband and I lived in Seattle for 2 years (2002-2004) while he was getting his MBA at UW. We lived in the Greenlake area and loved it. We were walking distance to the lake frequented it daily (rain permitting). During that time, I taught at John Stanford International School (public school, but a Japanese or Spanish Immersion school) and cannot say enough about what an amazing school this is. Amazing teachers, community (it's in the Wallingford Distrcit) and program. The Wallingford District is great, although may be a bit pricey. The 99 is close to Greenlake, so access to downtown was about 10-15 minutes. Good luck!

I lived in Seattle for 10 years before moving back to Alameda to raise my family. I loved living in the Queen Anne and Magnolia neighborhoods. We chose to buy a house in Magnolia because it reminded us of where we grew up, Alameda. It also has the greatest park in it called Discovery Park. We would walk or run in it all the time. There are paths to go down to the beach and the lighthouse and it is never crowed. There is a few blocks with shops and the necessities in the center of Magnolia with restaurants, post office, video store, gift shops, and nursery, etc where it is easy to walk to from wherever you live. Queen Anne is the same and has all this on a larger scale. There are great schools in most of the neighborhoods in Seattle. Check the website for school scores to get a good idea of boundaries, etc. Since I have left the Ballard neighborhood also become a fun neighborhood to live is also. These are all VERY close to downtown with a zero commute (city streets~10-15min ! to downtown).

If you are buying a home I highly recommend Gratzi Anderson and her husband Ken. We used them for hunting for a house to buy and in selling our house when we moved back to Alameda. They are a husband and wife duo and are FANTASTIC. I really wish they could have helped us out here. They are located in the Magnolia Windermere office too.

I really miss it but love where we are now. Good Luck! Dreaming of Seattle

Moving to seattle area to work for Microsoft

Jan 2008

My husband is getting a job at Microsoft, so we are looking to relocate from San Leandro in the next month or so. We have been told that the commute from the west side to Microsoft is pretty bad and that it makes most sense to live on the east side. I'm wondering if anyone has any advice on nice neighborhoods near parks or running trails etc... We have a 3 year old boy and a big dog who both need to get a lot of exercise! Also, I don't like new homes or housing communities and I see a lot of those in that area. Our idea is rent initially until we find an area that really appeals to us. Any information on the best school districts would also be useful. Thanks for any advice you have for us!

We used to live in Seattle when my husband worked at Microsoft. Plenty of charm, old character, great neighborhoods in Seattle, but you will be hard-pressed to find anything but new-ish houses on the East Side. Bellevue is a lot like Walnut Creek. High-end, but new and with a lot of chain restaurants and stores. Waterfront is beautiful, but very pricey. Kirkland is the closest thing to a 'happening' cute, arts-and-restaurants small town... but to the point where it's 'fake' feeling and very pricey. Hollywood Hills or Woodinville are nice areas where you can find acreage, but again, nothing older than 40 years. The East-West commute IS bad, but if your husband can travel at odd hours, it's better. There's a reason the commute is so bad- MSFT employs 60,000 in Redmond, and they all commute across a 2-lane bridge for the preferred Seattle lifestyle! We didn't have kids then, but I know that the Bellevue school district is one of the best in the state/country. Good Luck! ex-seattlite

From my sister who lives in the Seattle metro area (currently on the east side of Lake Washington):

I guess it depends on how much $ they have to spend on housing. Also, depends on which campus they will be on for Msoft. For good schools and a 1/2 way point they might try Mercer Island. And yes, the commute is awful from Seattle to Redmond. They could also try Kirkland although I don't know much about the schools there. The Lake Washington school district is supposed to be a good one as well. Boundaries in that area are tricky so they would need to talk to someone who knows the district well to be sure to get a house in the right area. The Issaqauah school district and Redmond districts would be next as far as quality. Housing in those areas is a mixed bag of older neighborhoods and developments. They'll just need to drive around and see what they like. Former Seattle resident too

2004 - 2007 Reviews

Moving to Seattle

May 2007

My husband has just received a job offer in the Seattle area (Bellevue)and is fairly certain he is going to take it. This will be a big move for our family. While I have visited once, I honestly don't know anything about the Seattle area. My husband is taking a trip in two weeks in order to look for a place for us to live (the company wants him to start in June). We will have only one car, and have a 2 1/2 year-old son. From what I've seen, Bellevue is more expensive than some of the other nearby communities. We have also started looking at Issaquah and Bothell. Since we'll only have one car, I guess what I would like to know is if anyone knows what public transportation is like in that area. I don't mind moving farther out from Bellevue and letting my husband have the car, as long as I can get on the bus and go places with my son. We currently have a very unique living situation and pay almost no rent, and I would like to go where rent will be on the cheaper side. Any suggestions for neighborhoods to look in? Places to avoid? I'm not too worried about schools, since I'm sure we'll either buy a house or move again by the time my son goes to school. Just don't want to feel stuck. I'm also in the middle of quitting my job to become a stay at home mom, so there are going to be lots of adjustments. Any advice would be appreciated. seattle or bust

Hi, We recently moved from Seattle, where my husband also worked on the ''eastside'' (bellevue, redmond, kirkland). It is a beautiful place to live, full of wonderful people. But firstly, public transportation is poor. Don't plan on it. Especially on the eastside. Everything over there is quite new and spread out. A car is essential for everyday living. (Would make the most sense for your husband to rideshare or something to/from work) If you want to find a cheaper area to live, heading east or north from the east side towns are a good way to go. too far south (renton) is not an ideal place to raise a kid. Also, don't plan on crossing the bridges too frequently, if possible. Bridge traffic here is a breeze compared to Seattle bridge traffic. I'd say that Kirkland is most expenseive, then close-in bellevue, then redmond. It's a rather 'homogenous' environment, to warn you. Hope this helps. ex-seattlite

Before moving to the Bay Area, I lived in Seattle and have since been back numerous times to visit friends and family. Additionally, my husband and I recently considered moving there for a job opportunity which ultimately didn't pan out. Nevertheless, I know the area fairly well. That said, I think that unless you live near downtown Bellevue or Kirkland, you may feel isolated living in any of the areas you mentioned if you rely solely on public transportation to get around. Unlike the Bay Area, the areas you mentioned are quite suburban and have limited public transportation (only buses and even those might be hard to get to). This means you'll need to drive to get almost anywhere (e.g. Starbucks, groceries, Target, etc.) Are you opposed to living on the West side (e.g. Seattle side) and having your husband commute? Most people chose to live on the East side (Bellevue, Kirkland, etc.) because of the schools. However, since your post mentioned you don't necessarily plan to stay in the house for that long, you may want to consider some of the Seattle neighborhoods which are going to provide you with a lot more options (e.g. Madison Park, Wallingford, Ravenna, etc.) These neighborhoods have lots of cafes, grocery stores, shops, etc. that will make you feel a part of the community. I honestly feel that if you're out in Issaquah or Bothell it's going to get mighty lonely without a car (the exception being if you live w/in walking distance to the Issaquah's small downtown area but even then, those cities are really far East and quite a trek from the action in Seattle). The downside to living in Seattle (or upside depending on how you look at it) is that the homes are typically older while the East side is mostly new construction - so it just depends on your preferences and budget. I also think your rental options will be a lot better in Seattle. Please e-mail me directly if you have more questions. ItbRelocating to Seattle - Bainbridge Island?s hard to include all the relevant facts in one brief response. Good luck to you though - Seattle is a beautiful city and a wonderful place to raise kids. Bring your umbrella!! lisa

You might also try Redmond, Kirkland, Renton and/or Kent. Renton/Kent area is probably less expensive (housing), but commute traffic was worse going that way (from Renton/Kent to Bellevue in AM and vice versa in the PM) when I lived in the Seattle area 4 years ago (may be different now). Public transportation was better in the city of Seattle compared to the suburbs, in my experience, though I didn't take public transportation in the suburbs since I did have a car when I was there -- so I'm not the best person to comment on public transportation. Good luck! anon

''Seattle or Bust''

We too have made the move from the East Bay (Oakland) to the Puget Sound area (Kirkland). Like the Bay Area, it's hard to generalize the PS area as a whole, other than to say the weather is mild but wet, and getting around is quite difficult. Public transportation consists only of buses.

We lived in downtown Bellevue for 6 months. I would liken it to Walnut Creek or Santa Clara, a formerly upscale suburb with excellent schools that is growing rapidly with increasing density. Shopping and restaurants would be a walk or easy bus ride, although most businesses are chains.

Depending on where you are moving from, you may want to try to live in Seattle proper. More diverse, with distinct neighborhoods & character missing on the East Side. The trouble will be your husband's commute, as morning traffic across Lake Washington is worse than anything in the Bay Area (coming from someone who lived in the Macarthur Maze). Depending on where in Bellevue, it may be under 30 minutes most days, though.

I don't believe you can function in Bothell or Issaquah with one car. While they are growing, those communities are far enough out that the commute will be a chore and you will feel isolated.

All told, the area is great for families--there are many opportunities here, crime is low, public schools are valued. Please feel free to email me with more specific questions. Casey

i went to college at UW and have good friends in the area. the bus system is quite good for commuters in King County (seattle and eastside areas), so i suggest your husband take the bus to work and you and your child use the car. i think living on the eastside with a tot and not having a car would be terrible. my very good friend just spent several years living there with 2 small children and felt isolated even with a car. (she's since moved to seattle where she knows all her neighbors and walks places.)

I am a big big fan of living in Seattle. I lived in SF for 20 years. Met my husband there, had our son there, and then he got a job in Seattle. Since it was during the dot com bust, we felt it was a good time to move. We chose to live in Madrona, on the ''in-city'' side (West of Lake Washington) and I have to say it was superb family living. From the urban feel of all the great restaurants, shopping, resources abound - but the absolute best part was that they have a network of parents called Madrona Moms. It has over 5000 members and is extremely active. A great resource especially for families new to the area. I'm strictly a city girl, so for me the suburbs were out of the question. I think you should definitely consider the reverse commute idea that other posters suggest. Especially coming from the bay area, rich in city living qualities. We are now back in the bay area, and I feel Seattle is a very very close comparison to living in SF or the east bay. Even weather wise. In the three years I lived there, I have to say honestly, the rain thing is a myth to me. It mists a lot, not downpours, in my opinion. We did happen to miss the wettest winter on record, I heard. Anyway, the crystal clear blue skies that shine MANY MANY days of the year, and the lush greenery and water views EVERYWHERE far outweigh a little water. I miss running around Lake Washington - taking rowing lessons, and just walking around the lake. Also, you can swim in it! How many cities can you do that in? It was ideal ''country'' living IN THE CITY. I love and miss Seattle and would move back some day if the opportunity presented itself. octobercat

I lived in Seattle and Bellevue for about 7 years, and I also worked in various Microsoft locations all around the Eastside of Seattle (which includes Issaquah, Bellevue, Redmond, etc.). Trying to get around Issaquah or Bellevue on bus is similar to getting around by bus in the Lamorinda area. It is possible, but not very convenient and not easy. Most people drive. period. Bellevue, because it is a older, more densely populated town, has more public transit than Issaquah. Regarding where to live, I would actually recommend Bellevue over Issaquah. There is more diversity and things to do, and Bellevue does have neighborhoods that are cheaper. You don't have to live in one of the quasi-gated communities that have views of Lake Washington. Good luck! former seattlelite

Moving to Seattle Area

Aug 2006

We are moving to Seattle. We have a 1.5 year old baby and are looking forward to purchasing our first home. We would like advice/recommendations about good neighborhoods with good public schools (please give names of schools), a good pediatrician for our baby, and a good OBGYN since webRelocating to Seattle - Bainbridge Island?re probably going to have another baby. Any other information you can think of would be helpful as well. Thank you Seattle, here we come!

Seattle is a great place to raise kids. Congratulations. Don't know of an ob-gyn, but Dr. Rob Roskin is a fantastic, FANTASTIC pediatrician. Here's a link:

And here's contact info (also on link): Address: Pediatric Associates Pine Lake 22717 SE 29th St Sammamish, WA 98075 Location: Eastside - King County Phone: (425) 391-7337 Anon.

We recently moved from Seattle. (It's a beautiful city, and where we will go to raise our kids!) I can't give specific names of schools, since we didn't have children there, but generally, the public schools in Bellevue and Kirkland produce far better test results etc than the Seattle public schools. Also, you'll generally be able to afford more house for your money on the ''East Side'' (of Lake Washington). The East side is sort of like Walnut Creek... new, clean, well-planned, more money, but also homogenous in that same way. Microsoft employees/families dominate the Eastside, for better or worse. Hope this helps! resident

Hi, We just moved to Edmonds (north of Seattle a bit) from Oakland 4 months ago. We considered Seattle proper as well as the northern suburbs, and opted for the suburbs, though it was a close call. The arguments for the 'burbs were better schools (though thare are some good Seattle schools as well); our housing money went further in the suburbs than the city; it was quieter; and we were able to get a newer house with fewer issues (after having owned two 60+ year old homes in Oakland, we were ready to have less need for major repairs, etc.). Arguing in favor of the city were it's the city, walking to cafes, etc.

In the end, I think we made the right decision. We go into Seattle pretty often (it's no more than 25 minutes to the zoo and to most of the areas we want to get to), so in many ways we get the best of both worlds.

I can't give specific school names in Seattle, but some of the neighborhoods you might want to consider are Laurelhurst (pricy), Wallingford, and Ballard.

We have a pediatrician but aren't sure how much we like the office yet, and we don't have an ob-gyn, since we're done having kids (ours are nearly 5 and 2.5).

Feel free to email me if you have any follow-up questions of want to get in touch after your move Michael

Here are some remarks from my native Seattle friend with two kids, ages 3 and 5.

Pediatrician: Dr. Matthew Allen at Ballard Pediatrics, Dr. Drew Fillipo at North Seattle Pediatrics OB/GYN: Anna Daniel @ Seattle Ob/Gyn Neighborhoods (in Seattle proper) with good schools: Questionable. I've heard some good things about Madison Park Elementary in Madison Park, as well as Laurelhurst Elementary in Laurelhurst. Personally, I recommend skipping the public schools in Seattle and going private. There are some good schools, and some good teachers at schools, but principals tend to be switched out often, and good schools don't always stay good schools. As far as private schools, we like Evergreen, of course, and lots of people like UCDS. If you want really good public schools, you'll need to move to the Eastside - Bellevue, Issaquah, Kirkland or Redmond (the last two are both Lake Washington School District). However, having tried living on the Eastside, I don't recommend it. Neighborhoods otherwise: West Seattle, Ballard, Phinney Ridge (our favorite, of course, since we live there), Wedgewood, Wallingford, Ravenna

My husband and I just moved here from Seattle and it really is a great place to raise kids. We went to Virginia Mason pediatrics on 1st Hill and loved them. You could always get last minute appts. and the wait in the office was normally minimal. We lived in Seattle proper and our kids went to Seattle Public Schools. We found Seattle public schools to be great but it does really depend on the school you get into and the mechanism to determine which school you go to is VERY complicated. My children went to Montlake which is in the top 5 elementary schools in Washington but it is has been historically hard to get into. Don't assume you will get to go to your reference school because it may not be the case. The other top public schools are Whittier in Ballard, most of the schools in the North East region and McGilvra in Madison Park (there is no Madison Park Elementary). Also, Seattle has an advanced placement school that many people take their kids out of private school to go to but your child needs to test in the top 2% of kids in the school district anon

Relocating to Seattle - Bainbridge Island?

Nov 2005

I just reviewed the wonderful information in the archives about Seattle. Our family may have an opportunity to relocate to that area, and we are curious about living on Bainbridge Island. In particular, I'd love to hear from families with small children about what it is like to live there. What kinds of parks and activities are available for children? Preschools? Are you happy with the public schools there (I've heard they're top notch, but would love to hear from someone whose children go there). How is the commute to Seattle? Are there natural grocery stores, produce markets with organic produce? What are the different areas of Bainbridge like? Other than artists, what kinds of people live there? Basically, I'm interested in any information about what it is like to live there. Thanks so much.

I am from Bainbridge Island, and still go there at least twice a year to visit my parents and my best friend, whose daughter attends public school there. Bainbridge Island is a wonderful place! Please email me directly, I can give you lots of info on things like grocery stores, parks, the farmer's market, etc. Emma

My parents moved to Bainbridge Island - to retire, but they do have two grandkids. Bainbridge is GREAT. It's very upscale, very lush. I can really speak for food because my mom is an organic and health food nut. They have it in spades. There is a farmer's market that my mom goes to, but it's pretty lame, and I'm only comparing it to the one in Montclair. Montclair's is like Macy's New York in comparison. But there are a few nice local things you can get - just don't count on stocking up on everything you need.

On the other hand, a great grocery store is Town & Country, which is right on the main drag after you get off the ferry.

Before my parents moved there, my mom was sick, and made my dad go ahead to all the grocery stores and take pictures of the organic produce to see if she liked it and could SURVIVE living there. She was cranky at first and it barely passed muster (I attribute that to being sick) but now she's a fanatic for it.

There are also great coffee shops (of course) and a superb bakery on the main drag that's very popular. There's a movie theater right near that main drag, too. I don't eat out much when there (I'd love to try the sushi place) but my mom is a such a food freak that we can't. But when she was sick, we did try some restaurants. They're not all that special. Go to Seattle for fine dining.

Take note of my previous mention of the ferry. Getting to Seattle isn't hard, but it's a 30 min ferry ride and if you're in your car, sometimes they fill up and it takes planning ahead, leaving early, etc., at busy times to make sure you get on. You can also walk on the ferry if you don't need a car on the other end.

There are a lot of families there - the schools are very good as I understand it and if you go on the ferry, it's like an intervention for having kids if you don't have any. Everyone has a baby, a toddler, a grade school kid, teens are on it on their own, etc.

The weather, naturally, is just like Seattle's, which can be a downer. Summers are nice, generally, but come Oct 1 it's gray dreary and drizzly. I don't mind it as a visitor - but I think it might wear on you. It's not so much that it outright rains, but there's always some dripping going on and it's rather cold.

I'd say overall though, it's a wonderful place to live. I'd love living there. Anon

July 2004

We are considering moving to Seattle so that I can attend graduate school at UW. It's a difficult decision for us because we love the Bay Area and we don't know much about Seattle. What neighborhoods are good, particularly if one person is working downtown and the other attending UW and you have an infant? Is it possible to commute without driving? Does anyone know of an online network of parents similar to this one for parents in Seattle? How good are the public schools? Recommendations regarding preschools would also be useful. For those of you have lived in Seattle did the weather drive you crazy? what did you like most? least? Any other thoughts or advice are welcome. trying to learn more about seattle

I wish I were moving to Seattle! I grew up there and think it would be a fabulous place to raise kids. Some of the best neighborhoods for young families are the Ballard area (still affordable homes, fun parks, great schools according to my friends with young children). Fremont is a ''happening'' neighborhood, but I don't know much about the schools. Its benefit is its proximity to the UW. Mercer Island is pricy (by NW standards) but has fantastic schools. My half-sisters attended them and received great educations. It's not very diverse on MI, however.

The public transportation in Seattle is excellent too- safe, clean, inexpensive and wide-reaching.

The weather is abysmal. Take trips away in Jan or Feb to alleviate depression! Or just invest in good rain gear and play. The easy hiking, skiing, camping, water access in Seattle make it all worthwhile. And the food scene is amazing, if that's your thing.

I can put you in touch with other families with young children if it helps, or if you have specific questions that don't get answered here. Hilary

I grew up in Seattle, and my mother and brother still live there, so I visit often and have longed to move there (I love the Bay Area, but it's sooo expensive and this summer fog just bums me out). The best neighborhoods in terms of convenience to both downtown and the UW (U-Dub in local parlance) are Montlake and Capitol Hill. And guess what... they're also two of the pricier neighborhoods in the city (Madison Park, Leschi, Queen Anne, and Laurelhurst probably win the prize for most expensive). Both have good neighborhood elementary schools (Seward on Capitol Hill and Montlake in Montlake), but I can't tell you about how school assignments work. My mom has nothing but praise for Montlake School. There's a bus, the #43, that connects Montlake and South Capitol Hill to downtown and the UW. If you live on North Capitol Hill (tonier, pricier, prettier), there's the #7 and I think also the #10. Seattle's bus system (Metro) is pretty good -- much better than AC Transit, anyway! People really do use it to get around. If you live in Montlake, though, you may find yourself walking to campus, which is a nice 30-minutes of relatively flat terrain (it is Seattle, after all, and hills are as central to the geography there as they are in SF). A little farther out, but still pretty convenient (especially to the campus), are Fremont and Phinney Ridge, which are north of Lake Union and the Ship Canal. They also are reputed to have good schools, and they're definitely an area with lots of young families -- I grew up on Capitol Hill but if I moved back to Seattle it would be all about Phinney Ridge. Woodland Park, with its world-class zoo, is there, plus Woodland Park Montessori, where my younger brother went. It's still supposed to be a great school. As for the weather, well, it's all a matter of taste, so I can only speak for myself. I HATE the summer fog and the brown, waterless hills here, but never mind the rain. Summers and autumns in Seattle are fantastic: after the fourth of July it rains very little, just enough to keep things green. Last summer, we were there for two weeks of temperatures in the 90s- 100s, made bearable by the breezes off the lakes and Sound. Sometime in late October, it usually starts to get a little grim: it's not so much the rain that's a pooper, just the overcast skies and the shortening daylight -- remember, you're much farther North there than you think. Washington state reaches the highest latitudes of the Lower 48. Many people do find the winters a little difficult, especially at first. But then there's always a little bit of snow (fun for the kids), and round about April or early May, spring hits, with bluster, and incredible displays of blooming cherry, rhodedendron, etcetera. I think that most people who move there find that the advantages outweigh a few gloomy weeks in the winter when it seems that the sun has gone into hibernation: lots of kid- friendly stuff to do, incredible natural beauty with tons of greenspace right in town (it's an Olmstead designed city), easy access to the mountains (45 minutes to family skiing) and National Parks, a historic and well-maintained downtown, great food, lots of funky older houses... and at this time of year (how I miss it) long, long, golden summer days, where the twilight stretches to 10 o'clock in the evening. Anyway, I wish it were me. I'm moving, for an academic job, to the wilds of Utah! Nostalgic Seattlite

Well, I just moved to Seattle a week ago and if you do end up moving here, I'm looking for friends! (Basically, we have a one year old son--and we realized we could no longer justify the cost of living in the Bay Area). So far, just a few days into the move, I will say that people are incredibly friendly here and seem more more friendly to the baby in particular. Email me if you end up moving...please! Jennifer

Seattle is a great town! My husband attended grad school while I worked downtown.

If you're attending UW and don't have a car, I'd recommend Wallingford, Eastlake, Ravenna, Fremont, Montlake, and some parts of Capital Hill. All of them are bus friendly to campus and parts of all have easy bus commutes to both campus and downtown. It is possible to commute without driving, particularly from those areas. (We lived in Eastlake right on Lake Union and neither of us ever needed a car.)

I can't comment on having a child in Seattle, as we weren't parents then, but I would think it's similar to the Bay Area in terms of resources. Some friends of ours there aren't too happy with the public schools, but I have heard lots of positive about the schools in Laurelhurst. The closest bus friendly neighborhoods to Laurelhurst are Ravenna and Montlake.

As for the weather, well, it's not the rain that's the problem, it's the gray/dark skies. Winters are dreary more than wet. Summers are glorious, which was the one thing that made waiting through the winters bearable. Even given that, I'd move back there without hesitation. We loved it. Lori

Hi. I lived in Seattle for 10 years (90-2000) and went to UW as an undergrad. There are some really wonderful things about Seattle, and some things that drove me crazy.

The good stuff:
1. it is beautiful (when not raining)
2. there are a lot of places to explore outside of Seattle: Vancover, BC, the Olympic Mtns., Mt. Ranier, the Cascades, there are a lot of islands that are fun to go to on the ferry. The Arboretum is a fantastic place, and there is a lot of bike riding opportunities as well.
3. it is a pretty liberal place and you are likely to find a lot of like minded people within Seattle proper. Outside Seattle proper tends to be redneckish.
4. there are great coffee shops (Cafe Vita is one of the best), resturants (Cafe Flora, The Asteroid Cafe, lots of fantastic Thai food, seafood, etc.), music (indie stuff and well as jazz), beer (there are a lot of great brew pubs: the 6 Arms, the Elysian, more)
5.As for kids, I never had any when living there, but a couple of friends of mine did. There are things to do in Seattle Center- ferris wheel, science museum, that kind of stuff. I would definitely suggest joining a Y or something along those lines, because you will be spending a lot of time indoors due to weather.
6. I loved going to school at UW. It is a beautiful campus and I had a great learning experience there.
7. When the weather is nice, it is the most beautiful place I have been. It is green, lots of Mountains to look at, etc.
7. Seattle is a pretty small city, so it is easy to get around by bus.
8. Areas that are fun to live in: Wallingford (the astroid cafe is there a great Itlian resturant), Fremont, Greenlake. Those areas are more family oriented. Capital Hill is a fun place to live, but more single oriented. Queen Anne is a great area near downtown, but if you live on upper Queen Anne there is less public transportation, and Lower Queen Anne is pretty busy and might not be a great place with kids. Ballard is a great area as well. It is a little farther out, but there are lots of families there, and you can get to downtown and the UW by bus.

1. the weather can get to you. It rains a lot. I remember one summer where is was nice for about two weeks and the rest of the time it rained. That is really what drove me to leave, the weather. Every winter I was depressed. Sun lamps might be a good investment. The year before I moved here it rained every day for 3 months!!
2. In my opinion Seattle has become a little sterile in the past few years. I have visited a few times and there were a lot of mom and pop places that I loved to go to that are not longer there. They have gotten bought and converted to these bright, shiny places without much character. Seattle is a much cleaner city though and I did like that. Not a lot of garbage, etc. SF can seem pretty down and dirty at times. Seattle does not have that feel.
3. Leave Seattle proper and you are in redneck land. there are a couple of areas that aren't like that such as Bellevue, and some of it's surrounding areas, but there is definitely a more conservative bent to beliefs and goings on outside of Seattle. Definitely not like the Bay Area.
4. There is not a whole lot of diversity. It has gotten better over the years I think, but it is still pretty white bread. A very good friend of mine had some unsavory things said to her while living there (she is bi-racial). I think it is getting progressively better, but definitely not like here.
5. the local gov't did things that drove me insane. For example they built a football stadium and a baseball stadium across the street from each other, but there is no real parking available and limited public transportation. Also building the baseball stadium was contenious to begin with. It was voted down twice by the voters to build it, but they went ahead and built it anyway. Paul Allen has purchased a lot of property in Downtown Seattle and it changing it to suit his vision. Some think this is good, I am think it's not. This is most evident in Seattle Center. They need to improve the availablity of public transportation. Basically all the transportation is along the North-South corridor. If anyone lives East or West, it gets more difficult.
6. Traffic can be as bad as here.

Overall I had a great time living in Seattle for the time I was there, but I was ready to leave when I did. Good luck on your decision!! lisa

2003 & Earlier

August 2003

After living in the Bay Area for 10 years, my husband and I, due to a career opportunity that has arisen for him, are moving our family back to Seattle where we both grew up. We have a 17 month old son and are expecting a new baby in the fall. Though we grew up there, we feel like we will be starting over in a new city since many of our friends have left and we are out of touch with the Seattle scene. Our child is bi-racial (Asian and Caucasian), and it is important for us to find a neighborhood that is fairly diverse and where there are lots of young families. We have been so happy with Oakland (in particular, our neighborhood in the Crocker Highlands), and are hoping to find a similar situation. Schools are also a consideration and we'd like to find an area where there are decent public elementary schools. We would appreciate any insights and recommendations on diverse, child-centric neighborhoods with decent public schools within Seattle.

Secondly, we are looking for recommendations on good OBGYNs and Pediatricians. Third, does anyone know of a community group similar to the Berkeley Parents Network (preferably email based)? Also, once I'm up there, I'd like to join a mother's group as a way to make new friends. I would love any referrals to groups similar to East Bay Moms or Sherry Reinhart's groups.

Lastly, I am a little freaked out about dealing with the weather up there, especially with a highly active toddler that loves the outdoors. We will miss the weather here and our daily walks! Does anyone have ideas on how parents with young children cope with all of the rain? Thanks so much!

Pick up a copy of the _Seattle Baby Resource Guide_ by Karen Olson and Shelley Arenas (Amazon has it). It was a good resource when we lived there with a toddler. It gives various sources for playgroups and such.

I loved my pediatrician, Gary Spector. He is high energy, up to date, funny, responsive. Not so much the warm and fuzzy nurturing type, more the kind who entertains your child while giving you good info. Seattle Community College has a very good parent/child playgroup- moderated- that would be a good way to meet people.

As for rain, you take your kids out whenever you can. It doesn't often rain hard enough to keep people indoors. Bring a towel to the playground and wipe off the equipment- that's a must. There are indoor playgrounds and play areas as well- there is one at Green Lake tht we used to go to. The science and children's museums are good destinations. Go ride a ferry- that's always fun for little ones.

We lived in Mount Baker, which is southwest of downtown. It's a diverse neighborhood next to Lake Washington- we liked it a lot. Capitol Hill is great although more expensive.

Seattle is lots of fun with little kids- you'll enjoy it! gbuckles

We just moved to Seattle this past May, and we love it here. Granted, we've had the warmest driest summer on record, but really the weather is the least of what is wonderful about our new home. It is a very family-oriented place; grocery stores, malls, and businesses all seem to acknowledge the reality of families with kids, having special toys or play areas for them. When my husband or I go to the zoo or a museum during the week, we are among many parents (instead of few parents and many nannies). There is a slower pace here, people are less stressed out, and there is less of a sense of desperation over the high cost of living: families can afford to live here.

That being said, let me answer some of your questions. We live in Ballard, which is a family-oriented and diverse neighborhood in Seattle. It's still pretty white compared to the Bay Area, but we've seen the demographic breakdowns of many neighborhoods, and it's among the more diverse. People also seem to like Queen Anne, although it's more hilly and not as easy for the kids to ride bikes or walk places. Maple Leaf is supposed to be family friendly too, but it's further from downtown. (Ballard is a 10-15 minute drive.) You can find out a lot of info about all of this stuff by going to this website:

There is great information about the public schools online -- not just test scores, but also surveys of the students and the teachers to give you a sense of people's happiness at the various schools.

I haven't needed an OBGYN yet, but we love our pediatrician and think they run a great practice. They're over by the university. Our doctor is Dr. Kathy Risse at Sand Point Pediatrics: (206) 525-8000. We've heard good things about other doctors in the practice as well.

Haven't found a group like this up here -- I'll be interested to see if others know of one!

And finally, the weather. A friend who lived in the South of England and has visited Seattle commented: ''The climate is similar, only in Seattle, they acknowledge that it rains a lot and build things accordingly.'' There are indoor pools open year round, community centers with tot playrooms, lots of good places for small children to run around when it's cloudy or rainy. Another thought: people complain about SAD -- the seasonal affective disorder that comes when there are strings of dark days. My friends and colleagues tell me if you make one trip to the sunshine during the dark months, it's bearable. And it makes you very grateful for the sun when it is here. Personally, I think SAD has it's California counterpart: SES -- sunshine entitlement syndrome. I've lived in a couple of sunny good-weather places in my life, and for certain people there is a kind of constant dissatisfaction that comes from expecting it to be ''nice'' out all the time. It's kind of an existential thing: like, if I'm paying all this money to live in this beautiful place, why am I not a more fulfilled person? The sunny days are taken for granted and the not-nice ones are a betrayal by the universe. I think a lot of it comes down to attitude and expectations.

Anyway, good luck in all your moving. You didn't ask, but we also had a great realtor who was able to help us with our long-distance move. Her name is Cindy Oneal.

We have just spent the last year on sabbatical in Seattle, and are returning to the Bay area in a few days. We have two kids, 4 and 1.5 years \xad here are just a few items that I\x92ve thought of off the top of my head, but please feel free to contact me directly for any other questions or ideas.

Things to do with young children:
- Seattle Center: has several great museums that have areas devoted to kids, including the Pacific Science Center and the Seattle Children\x92s Museum. Plus huge outdoor fountain with music and coordinated spurting, lots of festivals on holidays. Also an amusement park that runs every day during the summer and early fall.
- Woodland Park Zoo \xad great fun and lots of beautiful gardens nearby.
- WA State Ferries \xad take the Bainbridge Island ferry or just about any of the other ferries for a fun ride to see the water, skyline, birds, occasional sea life.
- Parks \xad there are lots of nice parks, but a few are our favorites. Carkeek Park in northern Seattle is right on the Puget Sound, with great tidepooling on low tides, plus huge grassy field for soccer, etc. Large and varied playground and lots of trails through the woods. Discovery Park is also on the water near Ballard. It\x92s really big, has an interpretive center and lots of kid\x92s activities that run throughout the year. Seattle Parks and Recreation has a website that lists all this. Plus each neighborhood in Seattle has its own community center, almost all with a pool and swimming programs. They also have ''tot rooms'' that are open various hours each day during the fall, winter and spring filled with age appropriate toys for kids 0-4 years. Great place to head to if it\x92s raining.
- Waterfront \xad Pike Place market is a tourist mecca, but also a fun place to take kids, especially during the week in the winter when there aren\x92t that many people around. The whole waterfront area is pretty cool. There\x92s the Seattle Aquarium, and the Maritime Museum that are nice, plus shops and boats, etc.

Neighborhoods, schools, etc.:
- We have family in Seattle, so we were tuned in right from the start. We lived in the Ravenna neighborhood just north of the University of Washington. Nearby are Wedgewood, Green Lake, Maple Leaf, View Ridge \xad all nice places. The schools are good here (my neice is in the gifted program at the local middle school (Eckstein Middle School) and is thriving. I\x92m not sure which elementary school she went to. You might also consider West Seattle, where a good friend with kids the same age as ours lives. She loves it.
- Preschools: We HIGHLY recommend the Perkins Preschool on Ravenna Ave and 65th St. NE. Our 4 year old was there for this whole year and absolutely loved it. It\x92s fairly academic for the 4 and 5 year olds, pretty traditional for the 3 year olds (I\x92m not sure how young they are to start). The staff is terrific, the facilities very good, great families. You can The director is Candi Schneider, phone is 206-524-1132.

- We highly recommend Dr. David Springer, pediatrician. Office 4005 Wallingford N. Seattle, WA 98103, phone: 206-632-0542. He is a really warm and sort of Santa-like guy (don\x92t tell him I said that!!). He\x92s very experienced in traditional pediactrics, but also inclusive of homeopathic approaches. His staff of nurses and practitioners is wonderful. I think he\x92s taking new patients, but probably best to call. If he\x92s not, I\x92m sure he could refer you to other pediatricians.
- Dentist: We didn\x92t establish our kids with a dentist, since we were only up here a year and have a great dentist at home, but our younger daughter hit her head on the coffee table when she was 12 months old and knocked out one of her front teeth. We took her to the emergency room where they did the extraction, but then referred us to a pediatric dentist for after care. We were able to get an appointment with one of her colleagues in the office, but not her. However, we were extremely impressed with the office, the staff and how quickly they accommodated us. The dentist is Dr. Camille Sata, 7900 E. Greenlake Drive N. Suite 210, Seattle, WA 98103, 206-522-1565. I think her practice may be closed at the moment, but worth looking into.
- Hospitals: Seattle Children\x92s Hospital is affiliated with the UW Hospitals and is located not far from the campus. Top notch place.

Mothers groups:
- I never joined one since we moved right in to my family\x92s neighborhood, but I noticed that many of the neighborhood community centers had programs for families, including moms. I\x92m sure there are other resources available. I found Seattle to be very much like the Bay area in the diversity of programs and resources around, but at a more human scale.

Weather: Like you, I was ambivalent about spending even one winter up here, but we were lucky and got a very dry and mild winter. On the whole Seattle is set up with things to do that are weather-independent. Plus, the mountains and ocean around here are so beautiful that I\x92d even go out in the rain. And when we say it rains up in Seattle, it\x92s not like the rain in San Francisco. It\x92s more of a drizzly rain and often gray and overcast, not the driving rain we get the Bay Area. So even if it\x92s wet, it\x92s still pretty easy to get around outside. It can be a pain with kids, however, since the park is no fun when everything is wet. But I was very pleasantly surprised. Plus, the summers help make up for it.

Hope this helps. Have a great move and I guarantee you will like Seattle. We loved it!! Gretchen

I live in Seattle but I'm not a mom yet, so I asked a friend of mine who is a mom and an editor for to answer your question. Here's her response:

Neighborhoods: Ballard's becoming more diverse, has a couple of very good elementary schools (Whittier, Loyal Heights) & lots of families w/young kids. Columbia City is very diverse, and has families w/young kids, but schools in South Seattle aren't the best. The less diverse north end of Seattle tends to have the better schools.

Doctors Love Dr. Rhonda Levitt's practice at NW Peds near Northgate.

Community For support, try the MOMS Club of Seattle (look online at the for contact info) or PEPS if you have kids under 3 ( To my knowledge, Seattle doesn't have something comparable to BPN.

Weather Visit the indoor playgrounds at community centers around Seattle; visit storytimes and active museums like the Children's Museum & indoor toddler playspace at Pacific Science Center; go to the library and play in the childrens' area (libaries in the King County Library System are especially kid- friendly); if all else fails, head to Bellevue Square and the indoor playspaces there. Joanna

July 2002

We are seriously considering moving to the Seattle area as a work opportunity has arisen there. We have been up for a trip and like what we see (apart from the weather - yuk). Does anyone have any advice on good places to live that is similar to Albany/Berkeley which I love. I am looking for a community that is very young family oriented - especially in good school districts. If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it. Thanks Julie

I lived in Seattle for a year and loved my neighborhood, Green Lake. The lake has a three mile or so paved jogging and biking trail and many fun extras like a kiddie swim pool, and a theatre. There were lots of young families around and a wonderful natural foods co-op, PCC. If you do end up moving I highly recommend our realtors, David and Karen Bell ( They are amazing people and really great at finding the perfect house in the perfect neighborhood. As far as the weather goes, that is ultimately what drove us back to the Bay Area... amy

Moving to Seattle...what a wonderful city! I lived there for 6+ years and then returned for another year in 1999. It is a fabulous place to live - good restuarants, kayaking, hiking, cafes etc. My husband and I really enjoyed living in Wallingford/Greenlake area. Both are close to shops, cafes, theaters, Lake Union and the 22+ mile long Burke Gilman bike trail. It reminds me of Berkeley. The next best areas in my mind are Fremont, near the Fremont bridge shops/B-G trail, and Queen Anne Hill(close to downtown). After that, Leschi, Montlake and Laurelhurst are beautiful areas to live. Capital Hill is another great area to live. Check out Vivande for GREAT espressos on Capital Hill - a close second to the true Italian thing. Maya