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  • We’ve recently had our backyard re-done. The decomposed granite pathways are tracking sand / mud all over the place like crazy. I can’t stand it - despite several matts to wipe feet, it tracks up the new wood steps (likely damaging them) and into the house; it takes almost constant cleanup; and frankly I hate the feel and sound of it crunching under my feet as it tracks for long distances across pavers, patio, etc. Our landscape designer assured us it will ‘settle’ or stabilize after a rainy season and baking in the sun next summer. But given our experience so far, and the info I’ve read online about the material, I am very skeptical. I believe they used ‘natural’ DG without any stabilizers (though I would need to check on that) - I read that stabilizers are bad / toxic to plants. If that’s true I’m assuming we won’t want to add them as a solution. We are considering changing the pathway material somehow, but it’s a chunk of additional $$ so want to make a good decision. So, a couple of questions

    - do you have DG as pathways? Did it initially track a lot and then stop after a summer of ‘baking?’ Have dry-set pavers in DG significantly reduced the amount of tracking sand and mud?

    - do you have pea gravel or other pebbles as pathways? What are the drawbacks? Are they too ‘soft’ under your feet? (Any thoughts on whether / how to add a gravel / pebble materials on top of DG?)

    - do you have an excellent, very knowledgeable landscape/hardscape designer/installer who could both consult with us on the best ‘fix’ and do the installation?

    Thank you!

    Yes! Trust me, it really will settle and stop being a mess. Then you'll LOVE it - way better than gravel. Gravel will continue to get tracked in too and will scratch and damage your floor.

    We've had DG in many areas of our yard (front, back, side, etc.) for almost 2 decades and we swear by it. It's now our preferred pathway in our garden (between the veggie beds) and on our "hell strip" in front.

    One thing I don't like it for is in-between the pavers on our patio. We've been trying (with mixed results) to grow greenery in between the pavers because we like that aesthetic and also the pavers then don't get covered in gritty rock/soil/DG/etc. I like to walk barefoot outside sometimes and I like the feel of it being clean and soft - not dirty/gritty! Also, we have Douglas Fir floors in the area leading out to the yard (kitchen), so... We're in the same boat - wanting to keep things looking and feeling as clean and undamaged as possible. 

    So I suggest you give it some more time.

    ~Mailisha 

    Hi there, 

    commercial landscaper here. DG paths are THE WORST! Maintenance folks hate it, designers and architects love it. They are a lot of maintenance and not many landscapers know how to install properly. They are a nice option to reduce runoff but require a lot of maintenance such as refinishing/stabilizing yearly or every couple of years. Path will track some but from what you are describing it sounds like installer didn’t use enough stabilizer. You can purchase natural products and also product mixed in with the stabilizer but from my experience the mix is never enough. We always had to add more. 
    If you would like to try to fix it yourself you can buy 5gallon stabilizer and follow instructions but we used to use close to 1gal for 15sf so it’s $$$. Use rake to scar top of your path, not too much, maybe 1/4-1/2” Then use watering can to spread stabilizer and then you would have to roll it with heavy roller. I think you can rent these at HD, usually hollow and then you fill with water. Or just hire someone to do it. You’ll have to wait for rainy season to be over for longest lasting result. But as you said, it’s basically glue so probably not the best to ‘water’ around your yard. However, this is most likely cheapest solution to salvage your path. 
    My advice is to scrap it. It’ll always be somewhat messy and dusty even when super set. I don’t think you can fix it by adding rocks on top as they’ll likely spill over and be uncomfortable to walk on. You could add rocks if you excavate some of the DG. But having 1” of rocks is not going to look pretty or be comfy to walk on. 
    Pavers will be the best, cleanest and longest lasting solution. However it’s more work and expensive. You would have to remove DG and compact the gravel base- hopefully it’s there from DG path but really depends how deep your path is, 1-2-3”. Also depends what pavers you pick. 
    Second option is pea gravel or any other small rock but you want to have a compact base and use honeycomb product to hold your gravel. Again, not cheap but you will be able to comfortably walk on it and it won’t be soft. I personally love this. You might have to add a bit of gravel every few years but not much, especially if it’s just walking path. 
    Something like this: https://www.agriculturesolutions.com/agtec-geocell-ground-grid-3-inch-8…

    Whatever path material you pick, you want to start with a good compact base! That will ensure longevity of your path. 
    Hope this helps! And sorry, don’t know any residential landscapers in your area. 
    Feel free to contact me if you have more questions. 
    D

    When I wanted to pave the grassy muddy strip of my "carriage track" I considered decomposed granite and learned of all the issues you mention. I looked into gravel but since my path would be used by bicycles I ruled that out as a hazard. I finally went with brick on sand for the carriage track, and have used it again for a 4 by 4 area for the bins. I intend to use it again for another small patio. But since I do the work myself and look for free used brick the cost is much less. Hope this helps.

    The previous owner of our house put in decomposed granite in the front and backyard. We have lived here now for 7 years. I hate the DG for the exact reasons you mention, and actually go out of my way to avoid those paths. It tracks into the house and scratches the floor, it gets into the car, it feels dirty, and I dislike the look and feel of it. The first year or two were the worst. We use a stiff bristle door mat outside the door and two wide doormats inside the door to help contain the mess. We also take our shoes off when we are on the doormat. Seven years later there is a lot less loose material, it has eroded and compacted. But it looks terrible, and when it rains its like a mud pit. I heard DG needs to be refreshed/redone every 5 years. We are going to remove it all when we change our landscaping. Still deciding what to do. 

  • Seeking licensed contractors for sidewalk repair and tree removal. Please let me know if you have any recommendations for reasonably priced contractors!

    Also, generally wondering for people who have done this - how much has it cost you for either side walk repair or tree removal? 

    Thank you!

    Tree removal and sidewalk repair sounds like a problem with a street tree.  If the tree you're thinking about removing is a Berkeley street tree, it's illegal to remove it, no matter who planted it.  These trees belong to the City, and are supposed to be maintained by the City.  You can seek a permit from the City to remove or prune a street tree under certain circumstances.  Pruning or removing coast live oak trees is also restricted.

    More info and a street-tree map at https://berkeleyca.gov/city-services/streets-sidewalks-sewers-and-utili…

    For tree removal I can recommend Complete Tree Care in Berkeley at 510-883-1748 and ask for Matt For sidewalk repair or new installation Smartscaping at 510-684-7053 where Johnny is the owner. I have used both companies several times and they both do very high quality work.

  • Hi,

    We are trying to find someone to fix the sidewalk in front of our Oakland house.  A city tree root has forced the sidewalk to buckle, and it's a fall hazard.  We've reported it to the City several months ago, but they have not acted.  Can anyone recommend a contractor for this work?

    Thank you!

    Smartscaping just did our driveway and did a great job. https://www.mysmartscaping.com/

    Hello,

    Several years ago, the City of Oakland declared all former city trees in front of private residences to no longer be the city's responsibility.  Which is probably why your request is not being answered.  

    We used Paradigm for our Oakland sidewalk and they were great in every way. But not cheap.

    http://paradigmconcrete.com/

    The City of Oakland has a schedule of areas with sidewalks to be fixed. Maybe you can try adjusting your request to get a reply. Example: Is my sidewalk part of the next round of sidewalk repairs? The buckling sidewalk is located at _______. If so, can you tell me approximately when it will be fixed, please?

  • Hello BPN Community:

    I'm seeking recommendations for license concrete contractors to repair a driveway and sidewalk at my house in Berkeley. The City of Berkeley requires a permit for sidewalk repairs so these contractors should be familiar with City standards and its licensing process. Thanks in advance!

    We recently had a concrete walkway and porch steps done by Duval Construction and they did an absolutely fantastic job. They were a subcontractor on our project but they will deal with owners directly as well.

    Schafer Construction might do concrete? I'm not sure if they do, but I do know they are great at working with the city and licensing.  They do a lot of work in both the Berkeley and Oakland Hills, mostly on houses and decks though.  If they don't do concrete they'll probably know someone who does.   I had them do some repairs on my bridge driveway. https://schaferconstructioninc.com/

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Needed - Brick Walkway Repair

April 2012

We are looking for a someone to repair the brick walkway and landing leading from our driveway to our front door, which has settled unevely over the years and is in need professional repair (i.e. grading of the land and relaying of the bricks, possibly with some sort of supporting substructure). Beneath a portion of the walkway and landing is a drainage pipe that's no longer functioning properly so we'll need the drainage repaired as well. If you have any recommendations, please let me know. Thanks.


We had the same problem about 8 years ago. I was afraid my dad would break his neck on our front stairs! We had a guy named Jason do it. He has his own company and is from England. I think this is them( if he has a strong English accent, it's him!) http://www.masonryspecialistsinc.com/portfolio.html He wasn't cheap, but the new path's been there for 8 years and there's not a crack in it and it's ROCK SOLID.

In repairs like this, you want to KNOW you are doing the right thing ( or you don't sleep at night worrying you are wasting your money on a company that's gonna screw up with 500 pounds of cement in your front yard...like happened to a friend of mine who took a low-ball bid) Anyway, Jason's your guy, I know is website is fancy-looking...but he just puts the rich folk's places on there. He works with regular folks too ;- ) JM