Advice about Teens Dating
My 15 year old daughter informed me yesterday that she's been texting an 18 year old boy she met at the bus stop. She had told me about him a month ago, telling me that this really cute guy kept approaching her to talk with her. Friendly-like. Clearly, she was/is flattered. At the time,I talked with her about ''the dangers'' while also validating how good it felt to have someone notice you etc. I told her she was not to give him her number. So, now they're texting and she's grinning and blushing and feeling all special . . . and I'm not sure about how to approach it. My mother-bear self wants to lay down the law and tell her no way in hell is she going to be dating an 18 year old who we know nothing about. (There's a chance that he's a friend of a friend of a friend!) On the other hand, my saying that will only encourage her as she is seriously rebelling these days. I tried talking with her about it but she was angry that I was ruining her fantasy and finally said ''Fine! I won't write him anymore!'' which I trust about as much as I trust George W. I want to support her to start thinking through some of this for herself, but whereas she used to have very good judgment, these days she's running on low self esteem and hormones and I believe would follow anybody home who told her she had beautiful eyes. ( And yes, we've been addressing the low esteem for years.)She has no experience with dating. She says they could just be friends. I say I could get behind that better if he would stop commenting on her physical beauty and if she would stop gushing. I find myself in the unsettling position of wanting to say very conventional things like ''An 18 year old boy only has one thing in mind.'' And then I feel bad. Could they just be friends? Right . . . Any feedback from parents who have been through this? Thanks!
Sign me as: conflicted mother
My daughter started seeing a 15 year old boy (on the water polo team)when she was 15 and I had her keep her door open when he came over and requested that his parents do the same. I talked to her about birth control and safe sex and she clearly was not ready. When she saw him I kept my cell phone on and when they were alone for the first time and he was pressuring her for sex, she called me and I picked her up immediately. Older guys pick on younger, more vulnerable girls because it's harder for them to say no. Talk to your daughter about different things that can happen when she is with him and let her know she can make a choice about what she wants to do. Make sure she has condoms if she will be alone with him. The new shot that prevents cervical cancer would be a good idea too. anon
My daughter is 15. She's in a kinda bookish group at school, and few of her friends have ''gone out'' with guys yet. While she doesn't appear to have a specific boy in mind right now (though I may be wrong about that), she's asking questions about what her dating rules will be. Being clueless myself, I'm looking for suggestions--how have you handled early dating experiences? What kinds of dates have you allowed? At what age? With what curfew? Did you or another adult chauffeur, or was it at one of the kids' homes? Anything you would suggest or do different? All comments and suggestions are welcome.
Single mom of teenager
Well, I don't have that much experience with this as my daughter is 15 also. She has had two (!) ''boyfriends'' already though. Both were fairly short-lived. They mostly spent time together at school, at lunch, or met before school for coffee. I met him on several occassions. I told her that I wanted to meet him before they went ''out'' anywhere. He came over to pick her up several times. They went to the movies, like on a real date! He came over to do homework a couple times. She went to his house once or twice, all when parents were home. That's the rule, parents must be home. As far as a curfew. I always ask her to be home by dark, no matter what she's doing, out of not wanting her to walk around alone at night because it's not safe. After the movies though he walked her home. I offered to give him a ride home but he didn't want one. When she has been out later with others I often pick her up (the joys of cell phones!). I guess when there is another boyfriend I will want to meet him also. I think it's a matter of what you are comfortable with and what she wants too. Just make sure she knows that she can call you anytime and you will pick her up. That you are on her side and supporting her. That way she might talk to you about any things she doesn't know how to handle. I also tell her if he wants to ''go farther'' than she does, she absolutely has the right to say ''no''. This totally embarasses her and she doesn't want to talk about it, but I think she's listening. I give my daughter possible things to say to boys in different situations because sometimes we just can't think of the right words at the right time! I am trying to teach her to stick up for herself, to not deny her inner feelings about someone, to use good judgement, and to be tactful also. It's a work in-progress. Good luck! anon
Group dating seems to be the best idea I heard until ...maybe 18? Kids can get together in a group in homes where parents cruise through at times (From experience, I know some parents at home may mean zero supervision.) Our daughter is 16 and figured out early that a lot of so-called dating is really an excuse for sexual experimentation. Some kids pretend they are drunk, and hence not responsible for their sexual behavior. When my daughter asked me when I thought a girl was ready to have sex, I replied ''when she's ready to handle a baby.'' We all know that every form of birth control has a failure rate, so I don't think it's too far out to talk about pregnancy. A lot of oral sex goes on in dating, with definite health risks, loss of reputation, etc. I'm generally very liberal but not when it comes to early dating. Our daughter has a nice social life and is not suffering by not dating solo. (Drugs also come into so- called dating.) If our kids hang with a crowd that don't date, it's easier.
We're all in this together
I would like to hear from parents about what kind of parameters they set for dating for 16 year old girls --particularly sexually active ones who ( in addition to being great kids) can be defiant, unreliable, do not tell the truth and have various emotional problems for which they are in treatment/ on medication.
Past efforts to monitor a dating situation have failed, either because of being lied to or because of being let down by a past boyfriend's dad who promised to supervise if the two spent time at his house when he WAS there and did not.
My daughter is beginning a new relationship. Knowing I cannot control what she does, I want to set age- appropriate parameters and attempt to hold her to them. If they are too tight it will backfire. Also, these parameters cannot be based on expecting truthfulness or abstinence. They have to be based on something else, giving her reasonable guidelines within which to learn to take responsibility for herself. Its a complicated situation ( late, international, cross racial adoption, early trauma,etc. ) So please, no preaching. I would very much appreciate just seasoned experience and practical advice .
Quite agree no preaching - if you believe your kid to be sexually active - and if it agrees with religious beliefs - I advise putting her on the pill. I am only speaking from experience my daughter, found herself pregnant at 14 and although it brought us closer together emotionally, it was not a pleasant experience. She is now 18, more mature and a fabulous person, looking back she says I was just a kid - what did I know that something like that would happen to me. Good luck with your daughter.
I have a 16 year old daughter, though she is pretty easy, but I was a troubled 16 year old once (and I have also transracially adopted a child with challenges). I will speak from my experience as a troubled teen. The most important thing you can do (and obviously already are) is to be involved, and concerned. She needs to prove to you and herself that what you think, is of no concern to her - but it is a ruse - it matters more than she can accept or let on. If you are not condemning (and sounds like you are not) but instead acknowledge the fact that this is ultimately a choice she must make about her own body, she will be more able to hear the things that you want to say about the situation. That does not mean, that if you think she is too young that you need to hide that opinion, but present it in a way that acknowledges her ability to make different decisions, and make sure it conveys your concerns about the effects her choices may have on her rather than an issue of right or wrong. When adults approached me in this way when I was a teen, they made the most impact.
As for the rules themselves, I think that the rules we set for teenagers are a safety net, not a protective coating, the kids can get around them if they are determined. Set the rules that you think are appropriate for her, if they are not 100% enforceable acknowledge this to her, and be clear about the consequences if you do find out that they have been broken. You are obviously aware that a teen who is acting out like this will rebel against very restrictive rules, but that still leaves you room to maneuver. The task of a teenager is to become an adult, when a teen is troubled it is imperative that they learn that the responsibility for their actions is theirs alone. It is a hard concept for teens (anyone?) to unravel that while the problems may stem from some terrible situations and horrible stuff that other people did to her, that she is the one who must now move forward with her life and find ways to make choices that support her. I guess that is what I would most emphasize: share with her your genuine concern that she make choices that support her and tell her that to that end you will set certain rules with certain consequences, but then acknowledge her responsibility for being the one who ultimately will make these decisions. Good luck!! PS - Alanon might be supportive for you as the parent, even if she is not using any substances, the issues are close enough.
So I must ask first: What is it that you hope to accomplish with your rules? It's unclear to me what your goals are, and this is the first step in setting up guidelines or procedures of any sort. It sounds from your message as if you are conflicted with regard to your goal. If you could, you might want to have a goal of get teen to stop having sex. But you seem equally convinced that this is not achievable. Certainly if you set a goal (and therefore rules) that *you* do not feel are achievable, then they will not be followed, nor will they be enforcable. One possible starting place to think about your goals might be: Have teen and parents be both happy and safe. Then you can identify the sub-parts of this goal that will contribute to this. For instance, as you mentioned, garnering cooperation from another parent might be one route (though it hasn't worked so far). Getting appropriate health care for the teen might be another--taking her to the Planned Parenthood, or your physician, and getting her a complete checkup including STD screening, and good solid information on both pregnancy prevention and STDs, with access to appropriate condoms (required in this day and age) and possibly also hormonal protection as well (pill, Depo-Provera, whatever). If it were *me* (and it has been!), what I would hope to accomplish with this sub-goal would be safety for both parent and child--knowing the child is safe from the unwanted effects of accidental pregnancy, and also from the very serious possible consequences of STDs. By bringing this out into the open, and *partnering* with your teen about it, you will begin to set up an atmosphere of trust on both sides, but also send the message that you are serious about caring about her safety. Dragging her to this would not help, but having her understand that you are in partnership with her to ensure her safety as well as your peace of mind probably will.
Now I'm going to suggest a really STRANGE book to read that might help you learn to negotiate this process. It's a business book called The Goal, by Eliyahu (?) Goldratt. It is a novel about manufacturing processes. No, really! And more strangely, it's very readable--even enjoyable! The reason I think that it's useful in this case is that it talks about identifying what your goal is, and how to figure out where your bottlenecks are in the process. Even better is the second book, called It's Not Luck. In that one, they set out some really powerful thinking processes that can help you identify a conflict, and see where seemingly irreconcilable differences can be shifted, if you can identify incorrect assumptions. The two together are actually pretty amazing, and there are several occasions when the examples used are from the protagonist's family life, so it's even clear how to apply it outside of the business world. The process is very powerful, and my husband and I are planning to incorporate it into our personal and relationship coaching tools.
Feel free to e-mail me individually, if you wish. I have much more specific advice to offer, if you want it. My now 17-yo daughter sounds similar to yours in many ways, and it has been quite an adventure to get to our current family life, which is mostly downright WONDERFUL. And I assure you, it was not wonderful a few years ago, so it's not like we just have some miraculous kid, or are some unachievably enlightened parents ourselves! ;^) But we did have to throw out a lot of assumptions (like, that we were at all in control of her!), and set up a lot of new models (like us being in partnership with her to create the situation in which she could achieve the best life for herself possible). Challenging, but highly worth it.
Good luck! Dawn
I want to refer you and any other parents to a wonderful resource for any kind of parenting issues: Parents Leadership Institute (PLI).
I speak from my own experience as a teen who was sexually active at 14 and avoided getting pregnant but did NOT avoid sexually traumatic and exploitive situations (invariably by older adults and not my peers). First to the extent possible make sure that your daughter uses the pill or another highly effective form of birth control. Encourage her and her regular boyfriend (if she has one) to go as a couple to Planned Parenthood for an information session; in any case, make sure that someone other than you ensures that she is very well informed about birth control and STDs and gets some coaching on the latest ways to persuade partners to use a condom.
Second, help her to understand deeply that she alone can decide if she is consenting in consensual safe sex. Being pressured into having sex when she doesn't want to have sex attacks a girl's core self esteem and can lead to other problems with alcohol, drugs, self-cutting, etc. Each pressured/forced situation undermines self esteem. Let her know how very important it is to ask herself how SHE feels and if SHE is ready to have sex with this particular person at this particular moment.
She needs to know that although having genuinely consensual safe sex can be a joyful experience, she may need help to handle the feelings that come up because sex is a radical form of intimacy. Sex is powerful stuff. Who can she talk to about how it really feels?
To avoid trauma and to keep her safe, TRY to instill ONE RULE for both of you that she can call you and you will come to pick her up whenever wherever she is with NO QUESTIONS ASKED. If she is driving her own car, encourage her to come home at a reasonable hour and to routinely tell her friends that she will be grounded forever if she doesn't make the curfew. This will make it a little easier for her to get out of situations where she is in over her head.
Most important is to encourage her to LOVE herself, to exercise her power to take care of her core self, which is indistinguishable from her body, with confidence and joy.
Just want to say thanks to the people who responded to my question about teen dating. Your responses were a help and a support.
7th Grader son wants to dateSept 1998
Your thoughts and ideas on the subject of dating would be appreciated. I have a 12 yr old 7th grade boy who has been getting calls from different girls to go out with him (often 8th graders). Usually it's a girl calling for a friend who wants to go out with him. Years ago (when it was all just theory) my husband and I talked about the issue of dating and decided that we would allow our kids to group date in 9th & 10th grades, and then go out on actual dates in 11th & 12th grade. But now reality hits: my son has had a crush on a girl for about 9 months. Evidently she likes him,too and they've shared their feelings with one another. They see each other only at school. She has let her friends know that she wants to go out with him and they in turn have told him. Question: would that mean go out on a date, or go steady with her. When kids are in seventh/eighth grade what do kids do at the school- do they kiss, hug, just hold hands or grope? Parents with older kids: how did you handle all this? I want my kids to be open and honest with me and not sneak around if I'm too strict. When I was growing up I snuck out on dates by saying I was going to a friends house. I don't want that with my own kids. If your kids did go steady, how did they handle breaking up? I know a lot depends more on maturity level than on age, but have any of you come up with any rules of thumb methods? Here I am supposedly guiding my son and I'm just as confused as he is. He has definitely been feeling pressure with these phone calls. This much I've learned: girls have gotten very aggressive with phoning boys as I've spoken to others parents of boys who are getting the same thing. I wish the phone calls would stop! How does a kid say No and not sound like a nerd. If a kid says yes, just what is he getting into? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
My daughter graduated from 8th grade in June. There was lots of talk among the girls about going out with so and so. This term means going steady, not actually going on a date, however they may want to go on dates while going out. I have told my daughter that she can go on dates when she is 16 or 17. Meanwhile, they have gone on group dates; this does not imply that physical closeness is out the window. Lots can happen on a group date. Because of the media hype of sexuality (especially on TV) these kids are under a great deal of peer pressure to be grown up and cool. Not only are kids' hormones running wild at this age, but TV programming implies that sex is constantly on every adult's mind, and is the primary component of humor. I find this portrayal skewed, to put it mildly.
Times are different now. Girls do call boys and I can appreciate your dislike of this practice. I think kids are being pressured to take on all this boy/girl stuff much too early. As an alternative to the overemphasis on this, I suggest supporting involvement in sports for girls and boys and helping them to develop and get involved in things they have a strong interest in. a Mom
I've just read a chapter in Your ten to fourteen year old by Louise Bates Ames, et al (the revised addition) on this subject that was very interesting. For instance, the terms, like going steady have a different meaning than they used to. That book might be useful to the parent. Asking other parents of kids in this age group in this region is a great idea! I'm eagerly awaiting the relpys that are generated, being the mother of an eleven year old who is clearly gearing up for the complexities of the middle school social world. It's fascinating to watch as the posters of The backstreat boys and others begin to cover her bedroom walls, a swirl of peoples faces wherever you look. And the time she spends looking at her own face, refining all its different expressions. Hmmm. Katherine
My 8th grade son, who has no personal experience dating or going steady, tells me that going together at Willard Jr. High in Berkeley means walking together in between classes. He says they hug at school, but kissing is not allowed on the school grounds. As far as he knows, no dating goes on outside school. My son's friend agreed, and suggested that you invite the girlfriend over for dinner sometime.
My 17-year-old son has never been on a date. Should I be worried? My worry is not about whether he likes girls vs. boys - he appears to like girls. What I'm worried about is that he has low self esteem and is afraid of being rejected and so won't ask any one out. Or that he he is so into peer approval (which he sort of is) that he thinks anyone who'd go out with him might not be acceptable to his friends. He does go to parties with his friends; about half his friends seem to have girlfriends who go along too. But to my knowledge he has never done anything socially with a girl and I can only remember one or two times when a girl has even called; he's never called a girl himself I don't think. He is cute, smart, sweet, and funny (I know, I'm his mom, but he IS.) I was dating when I was 14 or 15. So what's going on? Is it just a boy thing? Should I ask him about it or continue to keep my mouth shut? - anonymous
My brother - and many of his friends - never dated until well into college. I guess he just wasn't ready. I always referred to him as a late bloomer. He dated several young women in college and met his wife while he was in his masters program. They married when he was 23, had two wonderful children 6 years later, who are now 17 and 14, and stayed happily and solidly married. I was dating at 14 or 15 as well and couldn't understand what his problem was. In retrospect, I wouldn't worry at all. Anonymous
Don't worry! I may be wrong, but I think that the high school kids who date are far outnumbered by the non-daters. I never dated in high school. I had a great group of friends (other girls) and we did things together. I enjoyed the boys in class and other gatherings but did not date them. I don't think my husband dated either.
I have an almost 17 year old son (also cute, smart, sweet and funny) who does not date either and I've been glorying (maybe I shouldn't admit that) in the notion that I don't have to worry about all the things it entails----sex, alcohol, increased peer pressure, etc. My son gets together with other guys for pizza, TV, sporting events, and the occasional Saturday night poker game. Friends are important but many people wait until they are out of high school to date. And, I bet that if he's cute, smart, sweet, and funny his self-esteem is probably well intact also. Enjoy him and don't worry. --Anon.
Don't worry. Don't ask him about it. Since he seems to have friends and a social life, let him figure out when and how to ask girls out. These days, most teens seem to go around in groups. Teens who go out together are generally going steady, as we used to say in my era, but with much more advanced social behavior at a much earlier age, if you catch my drift. If your son is generally happy, be glad he's a late bloomer.
My son also did not date as such when he was at Berkeley High although he partied a lot and had just friends relationships with many girls. As a UC student he still does not seem to have a single steady girlfriend, although he has many friends of both genders and definitely likes women. And, like your son, he is funny, smart, and handsome (if I do say so myself). I wish he had gone to his high school prom and look forward to seeing him in a committed relationship. But I am confident that he will take care of his relationships on his own without my help. Unless, of course, he asks me. anonymous
I didn't date when I was 17 either--I just wasn't interested in developing an intimate relationship with a boy when I was 17--but when I went off to college ... I wouldn't worry. L.
I would like to respond to the person who is worried about her 17 year old son. As a parent of three sons, 22, 17, and 8 years old..I can tell you NOT TO WORRY!!!!. Every boy is different. My 17 year old son has never been out on a date himself and he is not worried about it. Why should I be worried about it? He will come to the decision himself when he feels he'd like to go out on a date. He goes out and socializes with both girls and boys and he's been to other girl's houses for homework type things as well as just pizza and videos (with the parents and other kids there). There is no hurry on my part for him to start dating. He just said the other day he didn't want to go to his Junior prom because, among other reasons, it was too expensive and he didn't want to spend his hard earned money on it.(go figure) I suggest you not say anything about it. He might think you think there's something wrong with him. Margo
No, don't worry. And don't bug him about it. My son didn't date at Berkeley High till a girl asked him to the prom. He went to both proms. With friends who asked him. He had a great high school experience, with lots of friends and involvement in sports. He slowly got into dating in college. He is a very well-adjusted college graduate student now, and he is IN LOVE! Just wait. Anonymous
I have a sixteen year old son who has lots of female friends both at school and work and obviously likes girls but admits that he is shy to get closer. I'm counting my blessings! I only warned him that, because he is shy, he is a target for aggressive girls who won't take no for an answer. He is going on an overnight with a coed group from school this week so maybe that will open up some doors. He seems comfortable so I think he should handle it in his own time. Not everyone is anxious to grow up and there are some pretty scary issues around getting physical these days that weren't there when I grew up. Barbara