Work/Life Balance with Kids

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  • I have a final interview next week for a director position I’m really interested in at the university where I work. It’s working with a population of students I love, I’m in an assistant director role now so it would be a good move career-wise, and I’ve heard good things about the unit in general. Im not unhappy where I am currently, however. I’ve been in my department for 10 years and have moved up over the years. I have tons of flexibility and management is very supportive of family responsibilities. I often arrive to work 9:15-9:30 after drop off and leave 4-4:30 with no issue. On the days I’m in the office, this gives me time to get home and prep dinner while my husband picks up the kids. I usually have a little down time by myself too, which is so nice. The new job has the same 3 days in office/2 days remote that I have now, but I get the feeling it would be 9-5, which isn’t unheard of but it would mean giving up some flexibility. I would be taking on more responsibility for not that much more money. I do get bored in my current role sometimes and my department is going through a lot of changes with many details that haven’t been worked out yet, so I see the next 2 years being challenging in terms of the transition. I get along really well with my supervisor and like them a lot but I also get frustrated with them and wonder if I will feel like that more during this upcoming transition. I spoke with the previous director of the role I’m interviewing for and he was honest and helpful about his time there. Overall it was a great experience and said he wouldn’t have gotten the role where he is now without that experience, but did share some frustrations. Basically I’m worried I’m talking myself out of a great opportunity (if I get it), but also am scared to make life any more complicated than it already feels. My kids are 4.5 and 2 and the transition to 2 kids has been really hard. Things are starting to get better but we’re still very much in the thick of it. Any other moms been in a similar situation and either took the new job or stayed? How do you feel now? Mom-advice in general is much appreciated!

    Take the final interview and prepare for it just as if you were certain you want the job. IF you are offered it, discuss the flexibility question with the person who would be your new supervisor. Maybe I am missing something, but it sounds like in your current role, you only work 6.5-7 hours on two days of the week, which probably is something you couldn't expect to continue in any new role or even with a supervisor change at your current role, right? Maybe new job can flex like that, or flex one end of the day (so you always come in at 9:30 OR leave at 4, not both), or give you a 37.5 hour/week schedule - who knows, unless you ask. Then of course it's a big discussion with your spouse about what he can pick up if you take this job, and what the increase in salary would mean to your household (enough to hire a housecleaner or takeout two nights per week?). Good luck!

    I'd go through the process and get to an offer stage, and then try to ascertain in a dedicated - in-person! - chat with the new supervisor what is possible with your schedule. I - and several other parents I know - often negotiated shorter in-office hours on the days we commuted, with the understanding we'd log back on around 8pm and do 60-90 min then to finish the swing. Alternatively, sometimes we'd put in extra hours on our WFH days. A discussion about "impact over hours worked" or when in-office meetings/collaboration happen may also be helpful in ascertaining how much the face-time/in-office time matters in the new role. I would be cautious about any proposal that clocks you in at less than 40 hours. At director-level, the expectation is that you are more available, have to flex and sacrifice some to put the organization first, and some after-hours/weekend cycles are inevitable with that level of authority and responsibility to not bottleneck others' work. You will usually be more successful with proposals that push work-life flexibility/integration vs. 'balance' - the latter being somewhat incongruent with the increased responsibility.


    It may also be worth a chat with your partner about what can change in your division of responsibilities at home. On the in-office days could your partner do drop-off so you can go in early and fit in a full 8 hours and still leave at 4 to make pickup? Or can they do pickup and warm up leftovers or pop in a casserole you make on the weekend so you can leave at 5? In my last role my partner and I agreed we had prioritized the demands of his job for the first 3 years of our child's life, but I had an amazing advancement opportunity and it would be 'my turn' to come first for the next 3 years - but we could always discuss if he needed help or flex on an important week, etc. It was really tough - as someone who has gone first for the whole 'with kids' stage having to adjust and absorb load was inevitably unpleasant for him - but it generally worked as long as we continued to have open dialogue and I was able to re-articulate why it was my turn to 'go first' or how that wasn't being honored if it wasn't.

    But be encouraged that even if this advancement doesn't happen now, it doesn't mean it never will! Life is definitely seasons - I had to pass up what was an incredible advancement opportunity available right after I came back from mat leave, when taking it on would have been way too much. But a few years later a great opportunity came up when our family was better positioned for me to work more and give my career more of my mindshare and energy. Ultimately that was not only the better timing for our family, but the better opportunity and timing for me.

    Hello! It’s quite a dilemma….. I was in the same position - whether to choose a flexible role that would allow me more time with my kid or a fast paced, not 9-5 situation. 
    The best advice someone gave me was: what is your priority? 
    Being with your kids at this age and the flexibility, or choosing a job that will bring the next promotion and will give you enough mental challenges? 
    Everyone is different and you should choose what YOU want, how you see your next years. If life becomes hectic at home if you choose the fast paced job, you can likely hire a nanny/au pair or some support. Don’t think you’ll be able to do it all - that just leads to burnout. 
    so… have a long chat with yourself and do what you want! Either side has regrets. 
    make it your choice :)

    I had an opportunity for a new job/ career promotion when my daughters were 8 months and 3. It entailed a big raise, which for me was an important factor. The other important factor to me at the time was that it was an opportunity that I felt was special and that I wouldn't see again. I had some of the same concerns as you, although in terms of in person office time and travel, it didn't change much from my prior job (I'm remote but travel 10-20%). I made the transition, and I've been happy I did. I have more big picture stress with the promotion but less day to day stress. The extra income and ability to do something different were both really rewarding. For me the experience has been pretty much totally neutral for my family commitments. It sounds like yours will involve some changes, but not huge changes relatively speaking. If you don't feel like this job is that special or going to add much to your life, maybe staying put is right. If you feel otherwise, the lifestyle change sounds manageable. I also think it's reasonable to ask to have an abbreviated or adjusted day (maybe on one side or the other) for your in office days. Good luck whichever direction you choose!

    Hi - I am a mom who opted against a move up like this of yours - that sounds like it would have been similar to the one I passed on - i.e., not an insane amount of extra work, but some, a lot of unknowns, and my just wanting to be a mom more than a worker at that point. So, at the time I felt fine about that decision and stayed fine for probably a couple of years, while every child was under 5. But, for me, the reality is that it hurt my career. New opportunities didn't come as readily as I assumed and my opting against held me back. To this day I understand why I made that decision but regret it - this is like 15 years later. What I wish I would have done is taken the job and as much as possible, gradually molded it to be a situation that would work for me as a parent. I think there was a middle path, a compromise, that I didn't even try to make happen. Even if you end up walking away or taking another job - you'll do it from a higher level position which will give you more leverage and the possibility of more $$s. That's my 2 cents! 

    Hi, I just wanted to share that I passed on promotions when my children were younger and I am so glad that I did. I am so happy to have had the flexibility to be present for my kids and not to have been scattered or stressed when we were spending time together. I felt like for me, more responsibility outside the home would have just tipped the balance too far. I could give so many examples of times when I have appreciated how great having a low-key (and maybe less exciting) job is during this parenting adventure (no working/stress over the holidays and breaks, volunteering at the school and getting to see my kids with their friends, being the parent who can do early pick up and take everyone to the football game or gymnastics class - I just didn't want to miss these things). And I have to say, these are such great parenting years that I am so happy not to let be overshadowed if I was overly distracted by work or waking up at night stressed about a work situation. I am not saying that you would be signing up for that - this was just my thought process. I actually really love my job and I am happy to have a career in addition to motherhood (esp one that I worked hard to achieve) but now that my oldest is in middle school I realize how quickly the school years go by. These promotion opportunities have come around again and I have taken a slower path to leadership which has worked out well for me. (For context: My kids are now 6, 10 and 12 and I work from home 3-4 days/week with flexible hours). I would say that if you are unhappy in your current position, that changes the equation but if you like the job enough and like the people you work this (this is kind of crucial since you cannot pick your colleagues) - it could be nice to stay at that position for a while. Best of luck to you. I am sure that you will be just fine whichever path you choose.

    I am in a very similar position to you - my kids are 5 and 2.5 and I was recently promoted to a Senior Director role at the food tech company I work at after my boss left. I also have a very similar schedule to you when I'm in the office 3 days a week, and I LOVE my time at home in the late afternoons to settle in and get dinner going before everyone tumbles into the house. I also REALLY feel the comment about the transition to 2 kids being so hard. My youngest will be 3 in Feb and I still can't believe how challenging some days feel! All that being said, my job gives me a great sense of purpose and fulfillment even if i have never been someone who aspired to climb the corporate ladder. I'm finding new challenges in my new role that can be sometimes very frustrating and even bewildering (like, what the heck do i do now??) but I'm also loving the empowerment that comes with new responsibilities, and I know I will learn a ton by doing this. Some days I think there's no way I can keep this up, but I keep going, and somehow I make it work. The first thing I said to our CEO when he offered me this role was actually to remind him that I have a young family and they are my priority. I told him I wouldn't be able to do this job the same way my predecessor did, but that I'm up for it and believe I can still do the job really well. To his (a childless, unmarried man in his 40s) credit, he was unphased by this and said he trusted me to do the work. I do end up working after the kids go to bed some evenings, but that's been worth it to me in order to maintain the schedule I had previously. I'd encourage you to be open about your family situation and how you envision making your professional and home life work together so everyone gets what they need. If you're confident about it, your employer will see that and trust you. And for a last dose of brutal honesty, I do sometimes wonder how long I'll be able to keep this up. I think I'd quit before I became completely burned out, but I also sometimes have guilt that someone else could be doing a better job at this than me. BUT - if I hadn't taken the opportunity I know I would always wonder what would have happened if I had given it a shot. I wish you the best of luck! Reach out if you want to connect over coffee or something (in all our free time, haha!). 

    I work at UC Berkeley (not sure if that's where you work too) but I think you should go through the interviews and discuss the work flexibility later on. You are really talking about a change of 30 mins on each side of the day, and for a job you love that pays more and allows for more growth your husband could step into some of what you are doing or you could order take out more often. In addition, your kids will not be young and demand as much attention all the time. Most jobs have some flexibility. See what they offer and take things from there but don't sell yourself short. Also - if you get the offer maybe you could negotiate some greater responsibilities or pay in your current role before you accept (Associate Director + salary) etc.

    Finally, in my experience during the interview we have to be really careful about what we say in terms of in office or hybrid work. I am hiring for a role now that is 100% in person because technically any day of the week could be in person - but the reality is that we have great flexibility so if we have events one week we are in often but if we have no events the next week we can work from home all week. You can have more of those discussions about flexibility once you get the offer, it's not a reason not to go the full way.

    Wholeheartedly agree with the first response! Don’t make a decision until after you have an offer, then be unabashed in asking what is possible. You’d be surprised how creative people are willing to be when they find a person they want on their team. I have four kids between 3-8 and have experienced the highs and lows of working and parenting full time and if there’s anything I’ve learned so far it’s that nothing with kids stays steady. For us, the skies opened up and things became relatively easier is when our youngest left diapers right around 2. As everyone gets older and gains more independence and requires less physical work things have become much easier. Fingers crossed you get the offer so you have two great options to choose from!

    I noticed a significant developmental change with my kids when they were in first grade. I could suddenly be on a phone call or take care of some work emails while my kids were at home with me!! So you might want to wait at least till your oldest is 6 to take on a job with more responsibility. I also wonder if you have enough energy in the evening after kids' bedtime to do an hour or so of work? If so, you could ask to work 7 hours/day in the office on your in-person days and do an hour of work at home in the evening.

  • Hi parent community,

    My husband is considering between his current job (3 hr round trip commute, 5 days a week in office, high stress, but strong “brand” and he loves the work) and a new job offer that seems *much* better in a lot of ways (remote, significant pay increase, more work/life balance, less stress, but less exciting/hip). We’re in a very privileged position to even have this dilemma - and, I am looking for advice. I want to do the right thing for our whole family.
     

    it seems like a no-brainer on paper that he should take the new job; however, I’m feeling really anxious about the monthly travel. We have a 3.75 year old and a 4 month old baby and I just returned back at my full-time job (80% remote, flexible, but demanding). We don’t have family nearby to help, but with the pay bump we could hire help. Though how easy is it to find someone to support for like 12 hours a month doing both babysitting/household type tasks? Husband doesn’t want to actively job search so if he doesn’t take this job he’d keep the current one and there isn’t much room to set additional boundaries for better balance. But he’d be open to future opportunities via recruiters.

    I’m also worried about not having a network of people I could call on for support in a minor emergency while my husband was traveling (ex: sprain my ankle, which unfortunately I’m prone to, or if I’m seriously ill. Like, right now I have “mild” pneumonia due to the lack of sleep from this season of life, and my husband has taken over most of the cooking/post childcare routine with the kids because I’ve been out of commission a few days. 

    But at the same time, my husband is currently not able to care for myself, or work on his reactivity, is physically or emotionally unavailable for most days (like might be home for dinner a couple days per week but can’t hold a conversation, regularly lashes out at me due to being depleted/stressed, and our relationship really sucks at the moment. Imagining him being remote, more available to me and our family, less stressed for 75% of the time sounds liberating! But the travel makes me panic.

    1. How do people find/build a support network for both regular household/babysitting type support, and those people to call on during an actual emergency when your coparent isn’t available (with no other family around)?

    2) And in general, what advice do you have for making this decision? Am I overthinking this? Can you give me hope if he were to take the new job? Thank you!

    First of all - I feel ya. Young kids, full time jobs, and all the stress that comes from that. I'm in the same boat though my kids are a bit older now. I think this is a bigger issue than what job is right though. You mention being ill because of this "season of life" and your husband's reactivity and I think that goes deeper than just the job choice. Whether he makes the job change or not you both need more support! You are totally in the thick of the most stressful/sleepless time when it comes to parenting so there's no judgement here but get more help and quick! 

    Do you have the space to hire an au pair? That might give you onsite and flexible support for the day to day AND for the times your husband is gone. Alternatively I have found good luck with Urbansitter for last minute babysitter needs and also to find a regular babysitter. Would a night nanny for a brief time help while you're little one goes through sleep regressions? 

    As for the job, I definitely think any choice that lowers the daily stress is the right one and sounds like the new job is the better option. Good luck!

    When my kids were younger, I was in a similar situation where my husband traveled a lot for work, and we didn't have family in the area. We found a single mom with a child the similar age as my older child that I met at a mom's group. This mom wanted to be home with her child when he was young, so this was a win-win situation for both of us. We paid her a fixed amount every week and she would come to our house and babysit all the kids (or take them out somewhere). It worked as a playdate for our older child and while they were playing, she was able to care for our baby. Her schedule was flexible, so she was able to help out in emergencies. Not sure if this would work for you, but just wanted to share what worked for us. 

    Hi, can you describe the travel that would be expected in the new job? For example, is it one week every month, or two days at a time, or...? And is the travel planned in advance or more ad hoc (i.e., how much notice would you have so you can plan for help)?

    I would definitely take my partner traveling one week a month over commuting 3 hours every single day. It sounds like your job is flexible; maybe you could work a little more during the 75% of the time your husband is around so you can work a bit less when he's gone. You can definitely find hired help that you bring in inconsistently - you may end up needing a few different babysitters to make it work, but it's doable especially if you are able to pay well. I would also actively try to cultivate the kind of network you're talking about, maybe through your kids' daycare/preschool. We started a babysitting coop when my older kid was <1 and it has been a life-saver. It is much less active now, 7+ years later, but if I needed someone in an emergency I am sure someone in that network would come through. We have had a few situations like that in the group over the years. We have also gotten to know our neighbors and have a few families within a few blocks who we could drop the kids with if something came up, from something serious to just needing someone to walk the kids to school if I have a last-minute meeting. It takes work but it's worth it.

    I think commuting is DEATH! On 12 hours, our former nanny works 8 hours a week for us which we pay for whether we use her or not because I have semi-frequent night meetings and my husband works at night. She is $35 per hour and is amazing with babies and tidying. I’m happy to connect if you want to connect.

    You don't mention in your post the extent of the monthly travel with the potential new job. Would be be one week/month, for example, or just a couple days? I think that will really affect how doable it is for you and how much outside help you'll need. Do you currently have any childcare for your toddler and baby? I don't think it would be too difficult to find a babysitter or a rotation of sitters who you could call on for help a few hours a month. BPN is a good resource for that, as is word-of-mouth from parent friends, or care.com. It sounds like either way your husband is not very available to help you currently, so finding external help might be a good move anyway.

    It definitely seems like the new job would be a better option, especially for the work/life balance benefit, not to mention the pay increase. As someone whose partner is considering a similar move (from a high stress, poor work-life balance job to a lower stress position - albeit with a significant pay cut), I know what you mean about the downsides of having a coparent who is physically and emotionally unavailable. I am eager for my partner to make the change even though it will mean a hit to our finances. 

    I have some advice, but I'm curious about how often your husband has to travel for work. You say monthly, but is it monthly for a week? Or monthly for a few days? It sounds like your current situation is already not working for your family, and if he has a 3 hour commute, what currently happens when you need care and he's not around?

    It isn't easy to find someone to help for 12 hours a month, but could you pair up with other families in your neighborhood or friends to provide a full time job to a potential family helper? Or maybe find a nanny share of some kind? I've seen several posts of this nature in several local facebook groups.  

    Also, you are in a tough season right now with your 3.75 year old and 4 month old. But it won't last forever! What happens when you look forward to when your kids are 5.75 and 2-ish? Does the new job seem more appealing to you? Your situation is tough now, but kids grow up and become more self sufficient. I hope this helps, and you and your husband come to the decision that helps your family the most!

    Hi There, My heart goes out to you. Having kids those ages with a full-time dad/husband in charge of kids-home would be a challenge! So you are in a very tight spot.  Sounds like there are pros and cons to both of the job possibilities.  Also sounds like he's going to chose whatever he wants anyway. It's all on you right now--let's be honest.  If more money and having him gone would help you hire help and have a peaceful home, that could be ok.  If he decides to take the remote job, I would make it clear that you are struggling and need help from him with certain specific home and childcare duties.  Either way, you need another set of hands to help with the work. It almost doesn't matter who provides that other set of hands--nanny or partner.   I won't even get into the fairness of this situation because it sounds so very hard right now.  Please reach out to family and friends and let them know you are struggling and need moral and tactical support.  You deserve support and love so you can keep giving it to your amazing children. 

    This is a great question. Unfortunately, only your husband and you can make this decision.  What I have found helps is truly talking about the factors that are most important - e.g. is it short commute, more flexibility, more $$$, ego, brand, etc. etc.  It's hard to have the best - usually there is a tradeoff (as you're facing) between two factors - e.g. 'hip' workplace / brand vs having flexibility - only the two of you can answer that question.  Ideally, of course, the 'hip' place would have a ton of flexibility - but since this is not the case, you can either find a new option or decide what is more important for you / your family / your husband's career.  

    In reference to your first question, we have three kids (who are now older) and both had very demanding careers while they were young (and still now).  No family around.  We solved it by having an au-pair - so actually bought a house that would allow us to have one.  That was the only way (we couldn't really afford a nanny).  It would be very hard for me to have to rush to pick ups / drop offs with a day care - this was when we had to be in the office most days.  Perhaps now it's easier.  This person also helped a ton in the evenings and other times.  We had an au-pair for a total of 9 years while the kids were young - our careers prospered and we were held to a standard of no more than 50 hours of support per week.  Rough - but very grateful that we were able to do it. 

    That sounds so difficult 😞 no thoughts on #2, but for #1, I have made some good friends physically near me through Buy Nothing, by giving and receiving baby stuff. These people all live near me due to Buy Nothing rules, and obviously have kids because of what we’re asking for or giving away. Not sure where you live but if you’re near North Berkeley, feel free to message me! I’m strongly interested in building a community like this, where we can call on each other for small and big things without tons of overwrought planning. Something that’s similar to what I remember my mom had (when stay-at-home parents were more common and they had time to build local friendships with other nearby parents). Good luck!!!

    Hi, wow that sounds like a tough situation. I think you should really listen to your husband on what he wants to do because ultimately it is his career choice. I wonder if you could move closer to his work and if he could ask for a raise giving you a third option. 
     

    on the travel front, you could make that work. I have always traveled for work and my husband sometimes does. We have always had someone help and varied the hours year to year based on what we needed. When unexpected things arose we used urban sitter to find a last minute helper. You can never plan for all the contingencies but we made it work (my son is now 12). 
     

    The commuting sounds brutal so on paper as you said it seems like an easy choice. But I would hate for your husband to end up resenting giving up a job he loved. I know that I would have had a hard time accepting that if my family decided that was the best outcome for me. 

    I can't fully answer as I haven't figured out one-off childcare myself yet, but wanted to mention a few things to consider from our experience.

    We just moved from my beloved east bay over the bridge to cut my husband's commute by two-thirds. He was spending 2.5 hours a day in the car, with our toddler, 5 days a week and felt extremely drained.  And it put very tight guardrails on our days to plan our whole lives essentially around his commute (I'm in the office 4 days a week). Since the cut to his commute, he's much happier and has much more energy at the end of the day and can take the kiddo out for walks or to the park in the evening, which we could never do before. So shortening a commute, in our experience, has been extremely valuable.

    I'm the one with more travel in our family. So, in our case, the fact that my husband's routine has daycare drop-off/pick-up regularly built in is key. If we had to come up with an ad-hoc solution for every time I traveled it would be really tough. Are you able to handle drop offs, to potentially two locations with kids 3.5 years apart, on your own? If your situation works well for that, and you don't ever travel, you could be ok.

    We have had times where both of us need to travel, and we've been fortunate to lean on local family with advanced planning. Colleagues of mine with no family around have brought in family to help when they know they'll need it in advance (concurrent business trips). Can be costly, but can be worth it to them for their needs or for a long period of time.  But my constant fear is for our toddler getting sent home sick with no notice when there's only one of us to respond. Or some other kind of emergency. For that I have no brilliant solutions.

    The hours available for childcare can make all the difference with your demanding jobs. We barely make it work with 8:30-5:30 childcare. If your situation can offer you a long window, that may alleviate some stress on a day-to-day basis. And if you have flexibility, that can go a really way (I assume). I wouldn't know! haha!

    Good luck with your decision!

    OMG, I feel so badly for you.  I could have written a very similar letter 30 years ago, except that remote work on Zoom did not then exist.

    What you are going thru is the real deal. You have post-partum hormonal issues, even if you are doing a good job keeping your head above water. Hormones can make the idea of the husband's travel seem even more frightening. Should that be a show-stopper for him taking the new job with the travel requirement? Only you two can decide.

    When I had an infant and a toddler, my husband first had monthlong trips to Hong Kong/Malaysia.  Then he had ACL surgery - with him doped up, flat on his back, leaving me to juggle the kids and frequently run to the grocery store for ice for his knee-cooler. Our nanny quit in the midst of this. And I, too, got "mild" pneumonia.

    Now that we are old, I look back on that period as being one of the most stressful in our marriage.

     Consider these questions:

    > 3 hr round trip commute, 5 days a week in office, high stress, but strong “brand” and he loves the work

    My husband loved his work at old Hewlett Packard so much that he would make the same decision again to work there again, even with the commute. Does your husband hate the commute as much as you hate its side effects?  Must he do it during peak traffic times?  My husband actually did not mind being in leaving 4 a.m.

    >We don’t have family nearby to help, but with the pay bump we could hire help

    My advice:  hire two people, so that if one of them quits you are not forced to not work. If the preschool calls to say "Your child misbehaved, come pick him up" you say "I can't leave work now".

    > ’m also worried about not having a network of people I could call on for support in a minor emergency while my husband was traveling

    Can you import a relative for a year or so? It is "all hands on deck" time.

    > home for dinner a couple days per week but can’t hold a conversation, regularly lashes out at me due to being depleted/stressed, and our relationship really sucks at the moment

    What worked for us was to keep having sex - even if I was not in the mood or totally groggy. I was in such a stressed time then that it was better to not talk. But nonverbal affection helped a great deal.

    > 1. How do people find/build a support network for both regular household/babysitting type support, and those people to call on during an actual emergency when your coparent isn’t available ..?

    I hope other BPN people can make suggestions, b/c this is a hard problem. The best you can do is hire people. You can't build a friend network on the basis of desperate need. Other working parents are stretched to the elastic limit too.

    I can't answer whether your husband should take the new job,  If he loves his work right now, that is weight on one side of the scales.

    How much risk is there that the travel could destabilize your marriage? That's the risk worth pondering. If he is deeply committed to his family and monogamous, that is a weight on the other side.

    Whenever one changes jobs there is risk that the new job won't work out. But to attain rewards, it is often necessary to take some risk. When one has an infant and a toddler, that is not a great time to undertake risky situations. But from the way you describe it, the status quo is not working for your or for your family.

    I wish all the best for you.

    Anticipation of a change can be exciting for some, and scary for others. Sounds like you can think of the positive from the change, and he is thinking mostly about the negative. Frankly men rarely like change if they are not the ones pushing for it. 

    It sounds like a remote first job would simply make your (and his) day to day life easier, with some planning needed for work trips. As a parent where I and my husband both travel at time for work, it's not easy but not impossible. Maybe on those days you and the kids get take out and hang out in the park for an extra 30 minutes. Known travel dates are a lot easier to deal with than the daily "when is he going to be home" issue of a long commute. And I have found job listings will say travel is needed but the actual timing of travel is pretty low, since it's cheaper to Zoom. 

    1. Search on Facebook for a local babysitters group, here on BPN or something else babysitters use and set out what you'll need- finding help that works (though it may not be ideal) can be done if you are willing to pay fairly. During an actual emergency, have a real talk with three of your closest friends here and maybe two other parents at your kid's preschool and hash out a support plan.

    2. Your husband spends 3 hours out of a 24 hour day in traffic. That's absurd if he has another option and you have two kids at home. While starting a new job can feel annoying and maybe he's concerned about you both working primarily remote, that commute sounds rough and soul sucking. How does he want to spend day, really? Does his job really give him that much more satisfaction? Seems like he needs a 'come to Jesus' talk about what you need from him to make it feel more equitable in your home. 

    He should take the job!! I'm here to tell you you can handle it. We have had luck with Urbansitter for finding temporary help, and someone I know recommended Jovie as well.

    Emergency help is harder for sure. Are you friends with your neighbors? some of ours are very nice and spontaneously offered to help with the baby if we ever needed it. We've also had luck connecting with other parents through Buy Nothing groups and, more recently, making friends through Bumble BFF! I think for me the key is asking people for help, instead of assuming they wouldn't want to.

    For what it's worth, I found it easier to find candidates that fit your description -- 12 hours, doing both babysitting/household type tasks -- by posting on care.com for a mother's helper instead of a nanny. The language change seemed to fit better when what you're looking for isn't necessarily someone to take the kids entirely off your hands in as much as you're looking for a second SET of hands. The vetting / interviewing process takes time, there's no way around that, but once you land on someone you like, I suspect you may want more than 12 hours per month (if finances permit -- ranges we found were about $27 an hour to $35 an hour). 

    That said, really, what you're describing is the fact that nuclear families are not set up to succeed in this culture, period. There is nothing easy about it all so you are not overthinking anything -- everything we all do requires a lot of thinking. For us, the paid help has been a big deal, to give us more space to create systems that reduce our overall stress. (aka, a tiny bit more space where someone can shoot out, get groceries, cook a bulk meal and freeze half of it, or even just take a nap). Have a lot of friends but working on community in a help sense -- it isn't necessarily intuitive to people how to help each other out. Faith communities have more understanding, familiarity and groundedness in this regard, if joining one or tapping into a network is an option for you all. 

    Mostly just want to say again you're not overthinking. It's hard to figure out. You're both doing great given the circumstances. 

    Something my therapist sometimes says : this feels hard because it IS hard! It sounds like the new job is the only chance for getting the space you need to build a good support network. Some things that have been helpful for me:

    - advertise for a mothers helper in your neighborhood. We found our 14-yr-old MH on BPN. She folds laundry, empties dishwasher, is great with our baby. kids that age can be really helpful during summer/weekend

    - if you’re close to campus you might consider emailing a couple departments asking if students are interested in PT work. We found a great babysitter that way. 
     

    Nothing can fix a long commute.  In fact, it's one of the things that predicts poor life satisfaction.  I know the idea of being home alone with two young kids is simply terrifying, but it is so so clear that the new job will bring you both so much more happiness.  I'm sure you will get a dozen responses saying the same thing.

    Here are a bunch of ways I have found to get more support: 

    Care.com and Urbansitter - finding people with whom you can build a relationship so you can schedule them in for those 12 hours you need them.

    Buy Nothing and Neighborhood groups on Facebook

    and the most important one - join a mom's group with your 4 month old!  I am still in touch with the one I was in 4 years ago and we regularly offer advice and if necessary, actual support (or if not, just babysitter references so you can amplify your search).  The one I had was this one and it was so helpful https://www.supportgroupformothers.com/

    Regarding the community, hopefully you will start to meet a lot of families as your children begin preschool/Kinder. In the meantime, can your husband use this new job offer to potentially negotiate with his current job for a higher salary & a partly remote work week? You mention not yet having a big community or family where you live right now and since your children haven't entered school, this might be a good time to move closer to his work.

    I remember raising 2 babies/toddlers when my husband commuted several hours in each direction (I was also working FT) and it was hard.

    Good luck!

    You didn’t write specifically (and maybe you don’t yet know) what is expected of your husband in terms of travel with this new job opportunity. Is it one short trip a month? Is there flexibility around the dates, or will he be required to travel for bigger meetings or events he can’t control the timing of? Is this something he can plan ahead, or will he be called away on short notice? If he will have some level of control over this, and if you’re talking just 2-3 days a month — that seems way more doable IMO. I too have two young kids, a husband who travels frequently for work, and family all living on the east coast. What has worked for us is:

    1) planning family visits around my husband’s work trips. Not always possible of course, but since family wants to come visit anyways, we will try to schedule them to overlap with who’s travel. We often pay for flights, too, if we’ve asked them to come and provide childcare backup - consider it a business expense.

    2) hiring some babysitters off care.com to hang with our older child while I’m home or doing errands around the neighborhood with the little one. Haven't found anyone spectacular but it helps conserve your energy for after hours solo parenting. Also consider this a business expense. 

    3) trying to schedule trips (and flights) that minimize the time I’m on my own. Again not always possible if he’s going far, but if he’s just going down to LA for instance, he’ll make it a day trip vs overnight - or time his departure or return so that he can still help with the more hectic parts of our day (pick up/drop off/dinner/etc).

    4) allowing ourselves to break our own rules.  For example, we generally limit screen time before bed for our older child. When I’m solo parenting, she gets to watch a short show while I nurse and put the baby to bed. It’s the only way I can feel confident that she’ll be safe with me distracted in another part of the house for 30+ minutes (and won’t barge in to disrupt baby’s bedtime).

    Find whatever “survival mode” means to your family - maybe that’s skipping extracurricular activities, eating more takeout than usual, scheduling play dates (at another kids house), etc - and have no shame about deploying all of those tactics when you are on your own. 

    We have also found support in unexpected places, eg neighbors that offered to walk our older daughter to school while I was solo parenting a few months ago (their son goes to the same school). I have never felt comfortable asking for this directly, but have found that the more we invest in these relationships, the more they proactively offer to support us in these small but meaningful ways. 

    For what it’s worth, my advice is to hire as much help as your income allows, regardless of the job choice, including help with the relationship as well as practical help like a nanny. Having some professional support while you work on building a more informal network of friends and other parents in your community will probably help you untangle all the threads of the decisions and struggles you are facing. Wishing you the best as you both sort through what to do! 

    The stresses of working parenthood is no joke, even if we're in places of comparative financial security. Your youngest is in their most intense care situation for the next 9-12 months, and then things will shift. The day in day out flexibility and reduction of a grueling commute (for your husband) means there is one less parent able to be present day in, day out. And that also wears on relationships. We have a 5 year old and a 10 year old and live in the East Bay, and we have found that there are many responsible sitters and nannies looking for extra side-gigs. You probably will find that with the ample references and referrals from Berkeley Parents Network, you can easily develop rapport with a few, so that you have ample backup lists of help for travel times or other needs. We have also developed rapport with other families in preschool, and in a pinch can help with a pickup if pre-arranged, playdates, etc which all help. You're not overthinking at all! Best of luck/wishes! 

    The basic dilemma seems very challenging -- my main suggestion was to consider hiring more household help -- a weekly cleaner, and a "mother's helper" for more like 10-15 hours a week. This is a relatively time-limited situation until your younger one is two, and eligible for a longer day in childcare. If you have someone coming regularly to help, you can ask them for more hours in a crisis/when you are ill. Also, over time your preschool/daycare can be a support, as you get to know people. It is worth trading money for your health/mental health if possible.

    This is so hard and these are really demanding and difficult ages. If the pay is really great, a nanny may be a solution. I don't think you can find 12 hours per month help. But, you could find full-time or part-time nanny who helps regardless of whether your spouse is travelling or not. The challenge is to find a nanny who is willing to work with you and kids during sickness. If you or your child has a contagious illness like cold but not Covid, would the nanny continue to work with you or your kids? If your spouse is travelling and you don't have nanny's help because of illness, that would be a very difficult situation. 

    Does your older one go to preschool? We invested a lot of time and energy in our preschool community and relied a lot on other parents and teachers for childcare swap, emergency pick-up, and babysitting. Our kid is 11 years old now, but we are still close with many preschool friends. Many preschool teachers also babysit outside of school. 

    Over the years, we've tried various things (meal kits, meal deliveries, and a lot of food deliveries and premade foods). If I had enough money, I'd love to have a personal chef help provide healthy meals at least once or twice a week. We rely 99% on grocery delivery and items are purchased online through Amazon/Target.  It's expensive but I honestly cannot figure out how to do it all while holding down a demanding full time job and a spouse who is available 50% less than I am. 

    A friend hired a young student as a household helper for 3 - 4 hours a day, 2 - 3 times a week and this person helped with pickup/dropoff, laundry, dishes, and toys/baby related light cleaning/straightening. 

    How often does your spouse have to travel? When my kid was younger, my spouse had a job that required him to travel once a month and it was difficult but we survived. 

    Remote job seems really nice. I think everyone would be much happier most of the time. If you can afford it, I'd seriously look into hiring a part-time or full-time nanny who is willing to do light housework. Our nanny helped us survive the younger years -- she did dishes, helped with laundry, kept the toys neat and tidy and we have remained close over the past decade. 

    He should definitely take the remote job with some travel! You as a family will be gaining 60 hours/month of parent time and losing however many hours/month it is of travel, which you didn't exactly specify but maybe as low as 12. Seems totally worth it!

    It's very likely that you can find regular paid help for the time he is gone, but if not, there are services that send in people short term (like when nannies are sick), and since you will be home anyway, that seems like not a big problem (not to have the same person each month). And as far as building a network of (unpaid) support, that will be much easier when your oldest starts kindergarten (which is actually quite soon). Until then, I would try to connect with parents at the preschool or other activities your older child does. And/or join a new parents group with other parents of babies - those sometimes blossom into reciprocal relationships. It sounds like when you are well, you would have some flexibility to offer support to other parents, which makes it much easier to ask for help sometimes. Faith community is also where many people find this kind of support!

    You didn’t clearly explain what the monthly travel entails (what does 12 hours/month mean?). Regardless, this sounds like a complete no brainer that yes, you are overthinking. Take the new job, hire a babysitter/housecleaner/food preparer (and maybe also a couples therapist), and go away yourself every other month for the weekend to get some rest and recharge.

    Hi,

    You got lots of great replies and I would agree with the general bent of taking this new job with some travel to reduce the horrible commute. We have a similar situation to you guys (5 year old, 2 year old, two working parents - both mostly remote, but I travel, no family within 1500 miles).

    Couple other thoughts on managing the travel - I've had a job that requires me to travel about twice a month for roughly four days each time since my younger child was about 8 months old. I also have a one week international trip coming up - that will be my longest one yet. From a job point of view, when you're working remotely, the travel is invigorating and an important connection to colleagues - so I think it will be good for your husband if he becomes remote. From a family impact point of view, my husband manages this pretty well (he works remotely but has a demanding job) while I am gone. I can rely on him to be a full parent and I also try to set him up for success by making some meals in advance, doing all the grocery shopping, doing laundry before I leave, and constraining the travel as much as possible to days when we have care. I also try to give him some personal time on the weekend before or after to decompress. So those are the types of (kind of obvious) things your husband could do to help you manage the travel. 

    We have had some emergencies come up - one week, our childcare closed out of nowhere for the week due to a covid case, and in another case our child was vomiting and there were some logistics with getting one kid to daycare while not wanting to put the other one in the car. Plus she was home sick with my husband. In the first case, we hired a friend of a friend's au pair for the week, and frankly my husband was less productive at work, and the second case we called a neighbor we were close to who could stay at home with our daughter for a half hour and again, he was less productive working at home. But the ultimate backup for emergencies is me canceling a trip or coming home - I generally feel empowered to do that if needed, though it hasn't happened yet. 

    Lots of people are likely in your shoes - no family nearby, really desperate to build a support network. I think that starts by offering to help neighbors and friends if you see an opportunity - watch their pet when they're out of town, offer to have their kids come play at your home for a couple hours, take them a meal if they are sick (or just invite them over for dinner), offer to be backup/overnight care if they're expecting a baby. We built a strong relationship with some neighbors with kids during covid, and it has leant a piece of mind to emergencies. We rarely have to tap them, but I think there's a mutual understanding we are there for each other. In general, I think people want to be helpful - both to be helpful, and to build a relationship where they can have some expectation of reciprocity. And finally, I use Urban Sitter for babysitting. Getting used to doing that has felt very liberating because I've gotten to know sitters I like and I feel like I have some flexibility if I really want to get out of the house for a date or need some backup care. I haven't had to use it super last minute (like same day), but I've done it next day.

    Good luck to you!

    Original poster here: wow, thanks so much, everyone for your heartfelt, thoughtful, and frankly brilliant responses.

    To answer the common questions that came up:

    -The travel would be 2-4 days during the week (not including weekend travel days), within the west coast ish or to the east coast. Our marriage has been struggling - but, I’m not worried about an affair. We’re in couples therapy and committed to making this work. 

    -Our 3 year old is in full-time preschool and our baby is in full-time daycare (7:30-5 and 8-4:30 respectively), both in our town 

    -I’m back to work full-time and my job is 80% remote, once weekly commute to Oakland (about an hour during traffic times). It’s a family-friendly job with limited travel (approx 2x a year but I can skip the travel until baby is 9 months)

    This is a tough choice.  I think taking the new job is better, simply because it would eliminate the 3 hour commute.  That's dead-time apart from family, exercise, and just well-being.  I would prioritize whatever employment gave me the most time with my family.  I can definitely understand the anxiety about being on your own when he travels though. Good luck with the decision!

  • Hello! We are expecting #3 this year. I (mistakenly) thought that the pandemic would make companies embrace remote work as a new model, but not mine anymore. I have a return-to-office mandate for 3 days/week, but this forces my husband and I to always be flying by the seat of our pants when it comes to preschool vs. elementary school pick-ups and after school activities. Some days, we don't decide until 15 minutes before, who is going to take our child to soccer practice (and it is only one kid who only has one activity at the moment), depending on who has the 'less important' work afternoon. I am really stressing now about what happens when #3 comes. I was planning on putting baby in full-time daycare, but I did not expect that remote work would not be an option anymore. Such an open-ended question, but when did you make major lifestyle/career changes just to juggle everything? Between my husband and I, we are about 60/40 in terms of bringing home income. I have always been the more flexible one because I am an individual contributor, but now we toy with the idea that maybe I should reconsider my full-time setup (that will require in-office days once maternity leave is up) - either dial down to part-time, quit?, find another job/career that offers more flexibility (but maybe less pay)... it's all very overwhelming. Wondering what people have done, and also, how old baby was/kids were when things finally made them reconsider their status quo.

    I'm sorry that your company is mandating 3 days in-office. I strongly recommend that you look for new opportunities. There are many companies that have embraced remote work. There are also companies that are family friendly and will work with you to develop flexible schedules. I have several employees who take time in the afternoon during the traditional work hours to shuttle kids around and they either start the day earlier or work later to put in their 7.5 hours. With school age kids, I also recognize that summer is its own beast and we have to make an extra effort to work with working parents.

    As a working and often solo parent myself, I don't know how I'll be able to manage without this type of flexibility, and I remember how incredibly stressed I was when my boss did not understand my needs. It was terrible for the kids as well, since kids had no idea who was picking them up and when! Now that I'm the boss, I offer flexibility to all employees (with or without kids) in good standing at my company. In return for flexibility, I do expect employees to give their all when they are working and I do pay attention to metrics and employee performance regularly while also keeping in mind any extraordinary life circumstances that may be happening. 

    I also have some employees who have chosen to work part-time to focus on kids during their early years or due to elder care / other family needs. Some of those employees have returned to full-time when their youngest child began attending school while others decided to remain part-time. 

    If you love your career, I think it's helpful to stay engaged even if it's part-time. 

    If finances allow you to focus on kids for a few years and if that will make you happy, do it! I also have hired people who have taken a few years off from working and getting back to work. If an employer holds taking some time off to focus on kids against you, it's not a great place to work anyway. 

    Good luck!

    I have no advice about the career piece but I have found having an au pair to be life changing, if that's something you would consider. My friends who have 3+ kids and both work full time tend to have a nanny or an au pair or an afternoon/evening babysitter . good luck with all the transitions!

    We have two kids, ages 5 and 1, and I have the same thoughts running through my mind all the time. Our income is about the same split and my husband caters to Sydney hours Monday-Thursday so I am left with everything PM related. With us about to enter Kindergarten with our oldest and him being involved with afternoon activities (which he badly needs, as we are almost certain he has ADHD) I am going offline around 3:30 at least 3 times a week and then trying to make up for it after the kids go to bed. My work and team are being really flexible but I am so physically and mentally tired. I'd also love to hear others' problem-solving and mindsets around this.

    You are wise to think about this before the new baby is born. My two children (2 years apart) are now young adults, so let's say I speak from wisdom. When my children were born, my (then) spouse and I were both working professionals in leadership roles that required travel. His field paid more than mine (also about 60/40) and had potential for much bigger payout down the line.

    I never intended to be a stay-at-home parent, but that's what happened. My children were both challenging from the get-go. My (then) spouse showed no interest in modifying his schedule to help with the children. I quickly became overwhelmed and exhausted trying to manage a return to work after maternity leave, mostly because despite my best efforts, I could not establish consistent, reliable childcare, and my employer (the field in general) was not amenable to a part-time or flexible schedule (definitely not remote work). Over the years I worked independently on intermittent projects. 

    If I have one regret, it is that I did not find a way to keep a more consistent foot in the door of my professional career. By the time I could breathe and was not running on fumes all of the time, I had been out of the work force for almost 20 years and was basically un-hireable in my career (employers did not take into account my intermittent, independent work). At the end of the day, I would not trade the time I've had with my children for anything—and they both continue to need a lot of support as emerging adults—even as I have struggled with identity issues over giving up my career.

    My advice to you is to get reliable support (and backup support) in place, even if it means your take home after childcare and work expenses is little to none, and work consistently part-time.

    It’s been a long time for me, but we had a similar situation and I ended up quitting to stay home with the kids. The thing that decided it for us was that we felt like we were going to end up divorced if we continued with the status quo. Neither of us wanted that and it really was a huge relief to have one of us dedicated to all the childcare/family related stuff. It added financial stress, of course, but that was more manageable than the daily stress of making it through the day. At least it was for us.

     It was the right decision for us, but here are some things to consider. It was an enormous burden for my husband to take on full financial responsibility for our family. It was also a huge job to be a full time caregiver and luckily, my husband was extremely appreciative of all the unpaid work that I was doing. We were both fully aware of the burden and stress that the other was taking on and that was really key. 

    I also underestimated how hard it would be to get back in the workforce when I was finally ready. If I could do it again, I would try to keep one foot in the door, although I’m not sure how I would have fit that in since it was a busy time.

    Looking back, this was absolutely the right decision for us. I loved having those years as a family and being able to have the kind of family we wanted. I think if you are both on board, it could be really great. It was for us. 

    I work 80% and cannot imagine both of us working full-time, and we only have two kids. The couples I know who make two full-time jobs work either have one job that's not super demanding so they're able to do it in less than actual full-time hours, or a lot of help, either family or paid. Or a lot of evening/weekend work, which isn't sustainable. We have family help, all schools within walking distance (we didn't consider preschools/daycares we couldn't walk to, and lucked out with our public school placement), and an 80% job, and we still struggle, because even with full-time childcare there's always something - a doctor's appointment, an extracurricular, a parent-teacher conference - that takes time away. We have also found creative ways to bring in help, like swapping dropoffs/pickups with neighbors and setting up a babysitting coop - highly recommend building a community of neighbors who you trust to watch your kids! When we signed our kid up for soccer, we requested a neighbor for his team so we can carpool/bikepool to soccer, and we hope to coordinate all future extracurriculars with friends/neighbors because they only get more demanding as kids get older! Good luck, it isn't easy!

    Congrats on the new baby!! I highly recommend Best of Both Worlds podcast/community for advice on this: https://lauravanderkam.com/podcast/

    If resources permit, hiring more childcare is one option.... Both podcast hosts have nannies that work on a later schedule (e.g., 11 - 6/7) to cover school pick ups, after school activities and sick days  and to help with household management, but that's not the only option. They generally advise against going part time, unless you're sure your workload will be reduced to match your new hours. 

    We haven't used this approach... our elementary school age children are in full time aftercare until 6 pm to minimize work conflicts. 

    Our first child was born in fall of 2020 and had medical needs that kept her in the NICU for a month. That was the height of the pandemic, too, so we decided I would stay home for school year 2020/2021 (I’m a behavioral support staff member). I don’t think daycare would’ve taken her anyways while she was on supplemental oxygen. Then baby #2 was born December 2021, so we decided I would sit out school year 2021/2022 as well. We really debated me returning to work for 2022/2023 but we had fallen into such a routine by then (and we do just fine financially with just my husband’s income) we decided to give it another year. I’m so glad we did because with the “tripledemic” last fall my oldest was out sick from her part-time daycare (which we decided to enroll her in for socialization and enrichment) pretty much every other week and that would have made me going to work really hard.  Now I’m returning 2023/24 because it feels right, and we know we’ll probably have to take turns staying home with sick kids and probably find a reliable back up babysitter, too. My husband’s work is more flexible than mine, so he will probably stay home more frequently than I will. If you can afford to stay home and it feels right in terms of the cost of childcare and the logistics of having to take time off to take care of sick kids and other issues, go ahead and do it. If it feels right to work part-time, go ahead and do it. People figured this out before the pandemic forced us all to work from home and by golly we’ll figure it out again.

    Hello, I think it largely depends on how much of your childcare you want to do yourself and how much income you need. 

    We had our 3rd baby last year, and didn’t make schedule changes until start of this year, which looking back was too late! Our oldest started having bevhaor issues and I knew we needed a change. Our weekly schedule was taking its toll. I would start a few hours of work after my husband finished work. Everyone was stressed.

    A few discussions with a behavior therapist, new work schedule and everyone is happier!

    I started back up with a more flexible job where I make my schedule and mostly work on the weekends a few hours, and not every weekend. Then I have one on call appointment a month and that has worked great for us. 
     

    not having one of us work during the week is all the difference for us! 

    i say evaluate your situation now, figure out where the stressors are, how your schedule is impacting your children and how things will change and then make a plan. With a new baby coming it will be an adjustment for the children and they will need reassurance and time and attention to know you love them just the same and that yes things are changing but everyone is still together and love each other. 

    I hope you find a good solution for you all!

    My job first started with 2 days in office per week, but starting last fall we went back to 3. I have two kids, ages 4 and 20 months, and I really don't know what I would do if I had to go in the office more. 3 days felt like a big jump. The perks about my department are how flexible and understanding everyone is. I have also been in my dept for a while and have moved up so I feel more comfortable knowing that I don't need to prove myself as much anymore. I usually leave the office ~4PM at least 2 of the days each week so that I can get home and throw dinner together (my commute is less than 15 mins) before leaving the house at 5 to pick up the kids. One of my kids doesn't need to be picked up until 6PM and we usually get there at about 5:30 so that is a huge help. Basically my advice is to find a job that is flexible and understands family needs. My supervisor has 2 kids and our overall group director is a mom so everyone really gets it. This morning I didn't get into the office until 9:30 b/c of a late start and that was totally fine. 

    I'm happy enough in my job for now, but I do have daydreams of finding something different, however when I look at jobs I struggle with finding something that pays enough since everything is so expensive here (we are barely making it with 2 kids in preschool/daycare). I also worry that another job wouldn't have the same flexibility, which is definitely added value to me. I definitely will not be making any big changes until my little one is older and things feel a bit easier.

    We also struggled with this situation, with two little ones at home. I ended up leaving my job for a remote position, which actually ended up paying more. I work east coast hours, so husband handles the morning drop off, and I can have a few hours free in the afternoon for errands, meal prep etc. before picking up the kids at 5pm (after school care is a must). I also have a friend expecting #3 who left her academic in-person position recently for a full time remote job (which she somehow landed in advance of having baby and negotiated a start in August). It may be worth looking for different career opportunities-- sometimes it works out better than you expect.

    I have (only) one small child and was recently offered my dream job with the requirement that I go into the office 2-3x/week. I turned it down. In my opinion, when a company requires senior staff members (which I am) to be present, that’s a red flag. I think it represents a culture that is unwelcoming to parents and particularly to women. I don’t want to work in an environment like that. I found another position where I’m 100% remote and it’s made balancing work/life infinitely more manageable. My advice is you do the same. Good luck!

  • Thinking about self-care, and wondering what is an ideal vs what is realistic. Any parents that have somewhat found their balance? Tips, advice? How much time do you get to yourself every week for sleep, time alone to check in on world and local news or just read your favorite book, exercise, hang out with friends, have a date? Want to know what to aim for. I realize needs vary from person to person, and sometimes from week to week, but just want to get a general idea of what a family that has found its groove look like. We are the first ones in our social circle to have babies, so we don't have anyone older to talk to about how to not get lost in parenting. We don't have family in town to help, but are willing to hire babysitters, as money permits, we have a 2.5-year-old spirited son (that doesn't sleep well) and a 5-month old. Mostly, trying to figure out what to aim for in the future, as having a baby around and a toddler is hard work no matter what. We love our sons, sooooo much, but at this point even one hour to run errands needs to be negotiated with my partner (we live 5-minutes away!), to make sure we don't leave the other overwhelmed by the two kids. 

    We have what I feel to be a pretty darn good life balance now, and our two kids are 4 and 6.  I'd say our balance has been pretty good for about two years now.  It's really tough when they're still that young, so the best thing I can say is that it gets a lot easier as time goes on.   

    A couple ideas for now:

    You didn't mention anything about tension in your relationship, but our first year as parents was really rough with lack of sleep and generally being overwhelmed.  One thing we did was kind of make a joke out of the fights we had.  We started calling Friday night fight night, and we both came at it with an understanding that we weren't really fighting over real issues, but rather just exhausted and drained by a long week of working and parenting.  Also, anything we said between 10 pm and 6 am didn't count.  I had a real struggle with lack of sleep and it turns out I'm a total jerk when I'm woken up in the middle of the night.  My husband can handle lack of sleep, but turns into a jerk when he's hungry.  If we were getting mad with each other we'd check in and see "Is it hunger?" "Is it lack of sleep?" That helped us maintain our relationship during those first 18 months or so.    

    We would vary the way we did errands.  Sometimes one person would go alone with the understanding that that was a break and they would give the other person some time off from the kids when they returned.  Other times we would each take one kid, or sometimes even one of us would take both kids.  The nice thing about having two kids sometimes, is that when you just have to take one on an errand it suddenly seems easier!

    Make sure that both parents can do all of the kid duties: bedtime, baths, dinners etc.  That gives you a lot more flexibility than some families where the kids really insist on one parent doing it all.

    Ideas for the future:

    We each get some alone time every day.  Our work schedules are slightly staggered, so he gets some alone time in the morning and I get some alone time in the evening.  We also get a larger chunk of alone time each weekend, I go to therapy, yoga, coffee etc. and he will run errands or go to the gym or hang around the house while I take the kids out.  Once a year we each take a solo weekend away.  

    We keep careful track of time we get and time we give, and when we're being snappy it helps to sit down and hash out who has done what that week because it's only natural to notice what you've been doing and overlook what your partner has been doing.

    We don't do outside date nights often, although now that our youngest is older we are interested in exploring some of the parents night out options that various local places do.  We do one weekend away together a year now, where my sister watches the kids.  It might be worth it to fly a willing family member out for that in the future if that's possible.  Otherwise, we mostly do our date nights after the kids are asleep.  We have one night a week we have to hang out with each other no matter what.  It may not be spontaneous or exciting, but it works!  

    Finding balance is tough but totally doable, good luck!

    I was in your shoes 12 years ago (2.5yo and new baby), and this is definitely one of those "it gets better" situations!  That first year with the second kid went by in pretty much a blur, but after that things start to even out.  I still clearly remember the first time I left both kids with my husband and went to the gym on a Saturday morning, because it was such a watershed moment. My advice, which may or may not be what you need: 1) Try to combine me-time things when possible - e.g., reading on the treadmill at the gym, or walking with a friend (this can be done with a stroller in tow if you're really multi-tasking). 2) Think long-term: the day-to-day with 2 under 3 is crazy, but it doesn't last very long - before you know it, that older one will be in preschool, and then they'll both be in elementary school...No matter how much you love your kids, these thoughts can keep you sane. 3) Live in the moment (I know, that sounds like the opposite of #2): Whether you're spending time with the kids or doing something for yourself, be present and try not to think about all the other things that need to be done. And delight in the small things - once I had 2 kids, even a solo trip to the grocery store or Ikea felt like a vacation!  And definitely schedule some time off from the kids each week to recharge - you'll go back to the kids loving them even more after a break.

    The specific life balance and self care that you're familiar with is gone forever. You'll find new balance and new self care, but it will be radically different than before ... for the next 18-20 years. I think your great challenge is being young parents without a friend group to kvetch with, and I recommend you seek out a moms/parents support group and new pals with kids. I honestly think you need to kind of set your expectations that the next 2-3 years are likely to be by far the hardest of your life, barring some huge tragedy. And incredibly fun too!!! Comfort yourself knowing that it's hard for every parent - sometimes super hard. Some escape to work. I am personally a believer in a date night every single week, even if it's just down to a nearby bar for an hour. Sleep at every available opportunity. In a year, you can hand off your kids to another parent with 2 of similar ages for 2 hrs, and reciprocate - or just hang out with other parents of similar aged kids. This is why joining a great daycare community can be an advantage to everyone, including your toddler. Everyone will make friends. Daycare can be very p/t. I don't know where you're located but we ADORED Blue Skies in Oakland - it is spectacular and you'll have very very experienced teachers with deep expertise to go to with questions. They were a lifesaver for us. 

    BTW, try putting your son to bed earlier to cope with not sleeping well ... or call a sleep expert. All can truly help. 

    Good question. I have a 4 year old and a 1 year old and I think about this all the time. Here's my take. First, you are at the absolute lowest point for self care. A baby and a two year old is SO HARD and it will probably never be this hard again. So don't blame yourself for having no time to yourself or add self care as another chore to your list. Just surviving each day is a major feat at this stage. 

    Re: sleep. With both my kids, I did sleep training/night weaning between 6 and 12 months, trying to calibrate night feedings to their increasing consumption of solid foods. I used the Ferber method. It worked well for both and both were sleeping all night by 10 months (with occasional regressions/disruptions, of course). Can you consider that for the baby? I'm not as well versed in toddler sleep methods. Would it be worthwhile to consult with a sleep consultant on how to help your toddler improve sleep? 

    Re: exercise. I find that it's easier to squeeze it in where possible than to schedule it. I walk at lunchtime two or three times during the week and eat lunch at my desk. I take stairs whenever possible. On the weekends, we try to do active things with the kids as much as possible (hike, run errands on foot, bike rides, even indoor dance parties). 

    Re: current events. I listen to political and other podcasts during my commute, or while making tomorrow's lunch after the kids have gone to bed. This is some of the only adult intellectual stimulation I get and I CHERISH it. If I try to read a book, I just fall asleep, and listening to podcasts can be done while doing other things. 

    Re: friends/socializing. A tough one. This takes the most planning and commitment, in my experience. Maybe aim for one social experience per month? I also like scheduling phone calls with friends. It helps to get caught up without having a big commitment. 

    Hang in there. As a mom of a four year old, I can confidently say it DOES get easier. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 

    I so hear this! I have a 13-month-old and have only recently started to feel like I have the mental space to think about these questions. For our family, advance planning is key — really looking at our calendar, talking through things we both might want to do, and finding compromises. Every week will be different, and it’s helped me to try and remember that no one week represents the rest of my life. Two concrete suggestions: 1) think about ways to combine activities, like maybe you all go to the park and your partner plays with the kids while you go for a run (just an example) and 2) try to get the kids on a schedule. I know I’m wading into controversial territory here so I’ll just say that having a pretty consistent schedule, which did involve sleep-training, has made a huge difference for us as far as planning errands, time together, and time for ourselves, as well as making life easy for babysitters. You can do it!

    We have only 1 at the moment (18 months -- we're fairly sure we want another but haven't quite pulled the trigger on it yet so to speak), so can't speak to your experience completely, but I definitely know the feeling of trying to find your groove again. I've been a part-time employed person and artist for most of my adult life, and when I now think back to the me from 2 or 3 years ago I wonder how she could ever have thought she was busy! It took us almost a year to really feel like we were getting our feet back under us, and we still have our days, but here are some things that work for us. 1) A schedule for our daughter. I'm home with her full-time and our days are quite structured; when we eat, what we eat, when we do chores, when we play outside, which days we have recurring "events" (playgroup, etc.) or are likely to visit friends. 2) Support network that combines paid and unpaid care. You mentioned your friends don't have kids -- how do they get along with your sons? We have one set of childless friends who LOVE our daughter (and the feeling is very mutual); they are the only ones besides us who have ever put her to bed. We try not to impose on them but they are happy to give us a date night every couple of months. Do you have neighbors who are grandparents (or wannabe grandparents?) We've got an older neighbor who has come over a few times after bedtime to basically "house-sit" while we went out to dinner. We also have had success with Swiss Cheese Childcare; now have a regular sitter who comes once a week for a few hours to give me a breather during the day. 3) Knowing what fills your cup and prioritizing that. My husband and I are both introverts and NEED solo time, but he struggles w/guilt over any time spent away from our daughter (since he works full-time) and I struggle with the unending list of tasks that is running a household. We cheerlead for each other on taking time to do the things that are restorative for us. 4) Connecting with your partner every day, even if it's just for a few minutes. We usually have a TV show that we're watching on Netflix, which gives us something low-impact to talk about even if we're both exhausted b/c one of us was up with the baby all night and the other had a long day.

    I will say to you what my friends w/2 have said to me: 2 is harder than 1 for a while (especially when they're close in age like yours are), but then your boys will be old enough to play together, and things will get simpler.

    Hope this helps. Hang in there dear. We hear you and see you, and this too will pass.

    I think that’s just life with two kids. We have a just turned 5 year old and a just turned 1 year old. When it was just one kid, things were so manageable! We hit our stride and had it all down. Number two came and we are only now getting into a groove. He’s a terrible sleeper. Time is our most precious resource now. I think my friends with kids 2 years apart do get into a groove sooner than later. Try to make friends through your two year old - our wonderful circle of good friends are from my daughters preschool. Weekends are spent with them, having brunch doing park and having early dinner at our houses while kids run around playing. 

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Depressed and resentful that my husband works too much

Dec 2009

I have been with my husband for 10 years, married for the last five. We have two young children. He is very successful in his career and I feel very grateful that he has a well paying job, we have a nice home, and we are in a good financial place. But...

For the last couple years, as he moved forward in his career, he works longer and longer hours and travels constantly (as in, often, a few days per week.) He's in advertising, so needs to go to this or that place for the productions. This is an industry that doesn't seem to put to much value on ''family time'' and the days are long.

When traveling, he often doesn't finish work till late, so then goes out and it's all expenses paid dinners/drinks at fancy places...often till late because they wrap up late...while I sit at the table with my kids and mac and cheese night after night. I can't help but feel irritated by this. I do trust him, and he checks in constantly while he is out/away and talks about how much he misses us, but it's so lonely being the only one at home so often.

When he is in town, it's long nights and sometimes weekends depending on work demands, but I will say that when he's off work...his family is his priority and he spends his time with us. He is a loving and gentle man and in other than this, he is very good to us.

We moved around a lot, to follow his career, although now I think we are settled for awhile, but the moves have been tough. I quit my job to be a stay at home mom, and am now living further from family and friends. It's isolating.

I am depressed. I find myself resenting him for the hours he works, for missing some of our kids' events, for never being able to schedule things more than a few days out (and even sometimes that is hit or miss.) Just when I think he'll be around for a bit, boom, it's more travel and late nights. We fight about his schedule constantly, and he says he's caught between a rock and a hard place trying to keep his job while still being a good dad/husband.

I am at a crossroads. I know he's working hard to provide for the family, and yet I would trade in some of the financial security for our family to feel whole again. I'm beginning to question if the job will always come before family, if my resentment will just keep building. Am I being fair? Is this selfish? I'd love to hear from any other women with traveling or workaholic husbands, and how they cope. Married But Alone


This sounds so painfully lonely, and sad. My heart goes out to you., and your children The questions you ask sound tailor made for couples counseling. Remember the two of you are a team, and if half the team isn't happy then that's something worthy of serious attention. Good luck. joanne
It sounds like you may need to ask yourself some tough questions. Are you willing to give up your financial security to have more time with your husband? Let me tell you, that may not be as good as it sounds. My husband has a low-paying job that never requires traveling. I am the family breadwinner, but I don't make all that much money either. Our lives are extremely stressful with both of us working and there never being quite enough money for things we both took for granted growing up.

If you don't want to lose your husband's income, here are some possibilities. You may need to develop a hobby or activity so that your life doesn't revolve around your husband. Make plans for you and the kids that don't involve him. Go out to nice places for dinner with the kids -- you have the money for it! Skip the mac and cheese! Treat yourself to a nice spa overnight, where they have hotel daycare. Make friends with other moms in similar situations. I love to travel on vacation, but my husband hates it, so I find friends to travel with. Us moms and kids have great times together. I think if you went traveling and had some of the fun you think your husband is having, you might feel less resentful. You don't have to wait for him to be around to have a life! Go for it!


I imagine many of us in the Bay Area are in a similar position to you - our real estate prices are so expensive that at least one member of the couple has to work ridiculous hours. My husband has a similar work schedule to yours. I also work, but both my kids are in school/pre- school and I'm able to drop them off and pick them up on their schedule.

I can't say that I never get lonely or depressed, but I don't blame this on my husband's job or him not being around. I try to figure out (when I feel like this) - what is it that I really want or what would make me feel better?

Most of the time, I want friendship or a night out (to swallow my food) or some exercise or other people in my house for adult conversation. So I've tried to fill those needs when they come up by getting a sitter for a night, so I could have some time away from the kids or switching off with another parent (it's often easier to take care of 4 kids when two of them are not yours, so the kids play together - than just 2 of your own) to get a little exercise time.

See if there are other parents with workaholic partners in your area. At least you can share dinners once in a while and laugh about the fact that mac-n-cheese is your regular dinner. You don't talk about missing being treated as a professional, but if you feel your kids are ready for preschool or a day program 2-3 days per week, it's worth looking for some sort of volunteer or work opportunity during that time - IF it would make you feel better.

I can't stress how important exercise is for me. Just taking a 20 minute walk once per day or swimming laps and taking a shower a couple times a week is a life saver. Best of luck to you


Well it all depends on one aspect you haven't mentioned. Do you work? If you do you are justified, if you don't then you need to find a venue to feel better about yourself.

For the first 2 years of my son's life i stayed home and my husband worked a job like your husband, minus the traveling. He was gone (and still is) 13 hours a day (sometimes more). At the time he spent 2 hours in the morning with our son. Now that his hours have changed, he sees him 1/2 hour to 1 hour a day. He spends his entire week end doing things with us.

There are so much expectations out there..money, nice houses, perfect families...and then lots of divorce because of too many unrealistic expectations. I think you can choose to have a different life if you both agree. But if you ask him to simply work less it's not going to go well. he is holding up his end of the bargain very well and you'd be surprised how many husbands DON''T. First you should figure out WHY you feel that way. if it's because you feel alone and unfilfilled it's not his job to fix that. So socialize more, volunteer, work a little. Whatever it might be try to own it and fix it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too...everyone i know that has that type of life, including us, either both parents work crazy hours, or one works insane hours. And in the advertising industry it's very normal. That said, you are unhappy. really you are a bit envious and a bit bored it sounds like. Either you should socialize more, work a little or even volunteer a little, depending on what is actually possible. If it's too awful then you need to talk to him and maybe you could reevaluate your life...as in, he could take a job that pays less and gives him more family time and you could supplement by working or you could downsize, sell your house and rent while the kids are growing up and need more family time

You said you trust him, you said he spends all the free time he has with you. Those are great signs. Obviously he works hard to provide a good life for his family since you are financially stable and have a nice home. That has a price. And it's that he is gone often. . anon


Sigh, nothing is ever perfect, but I would count your blessings. I could only wish for such a situation. My partner is hard working (I think), but earns almost nothing, gives it all away in child support, and I end up supporting the him and my two kids here (and doing most of the housework). At least he is good to the kids, has few bad habits, and is around sometimes. another mom
OH boy, does my heart go out to you! I have totally been there and came out of it in ways better than I could have imagined! Now, I work as a life coach, helping parents cope with the many transitions we go through on our journey from giving birth to the empty nest. Back then, I found great comfort and great friends by finding others in similar situations. I started up a ''lonely hearts club'' for Mom's whose husbands traveled a lot or worked late and I found they were easy to find once I started asking around! We would get together every week for dinner at each others houses and boy did it help! It wasn't fancy dinners but it was fun, supportive, relaxing and busy, all at the same time. Don't overlook neighbors, single Moms or Moms whose husbands play or coach sports (they are ''seasonal widows''). I think you are doing the right thing by reaching out to other Moms, they need you as much as you need them! Take Care and Good Luck!
Hi, I would be depressed too. And your story, although different from mine, has a common thread: As a mother I thought a big part of my job was to endure any situation independently. So in essence, I took on the kids' schedules, the kids' homework, the kids' social lives, planning our family vacations from a-z, maintaining the home and preparing meals for the family. In the end, it was far too much and I had a mental breakdown. At that time in my life, others told me I was a perfectionist covering way too many bases, and neglecting myself all the while. So here I type, a more balanced woman, wife and mother. I am a work in progress, but I must say with mindfullness, many positive changes have come my way. I am so much happier and far more balanced. My husband appreciates me more as well -- he sees that I am investing in myself and he respects me for that. My husband and I are in marital therapy, I am making time for my physical health (I started yoga which I would recommend), I am considering what my interests are beyond my family. I am investing in childcare and giving myself more time and space. I hire a sitter regularly (expensive but worth it) to go out with my husband, sometimes in the company of friends. If you are depressed because your husband is absent, you deserve to ask him for what you need. If he cannot give it to you initially, then at least create space for yourself. Best to you
Hi; Sorry to hear about your depression. You could go to a doctor to make sure there is nothing wrong with you; but it is understandable why you are depressed.

By your message; sounds like you have a lot to be grateful for. Trust me, not being able to buy your child clothes or meals out or worrying how you will pay rent is a big streesor that you dont have. Also, your husband is involved when he can so that shows you have a good man who really cares.

Your good man is also very motivated to succeed in his career. If he gave this up; he would be the depressed one. A mans career and being able to provide for his family is a strong sense of identity. If you convinced him to switch careers to accomodate you then it is very possible he will end up bitter and no longer the man you love today.

With that said...can't you use some of that money for yourself. Tell your husband you are interviewing nannies/babysitters so you can have free time both when he is away and during the day to do things that nurture you. Your husband needs to accept that you need your personal time and you can use this to connect with friends, exercise (very good for depression), volunteer or make new friends. This will go a long way to easing your depression. Getting out of the house and letting someone care for your kids will go a long way.

Since money is not an issue, this should be a good start. Also, your husband may not be too happy with this and it may cause a shift in him knowing that you are not always at home 100% of the time caring for his children. Take a stand and let him know there are changes coming. Also, can you leave him alone some time with the kids? He needs to walk in your shoes (slippers)! AA


All I can say is I know someone who worked in Advertising for 25 years and his work hours and travel sound the same as your husbands. I think that is expected for that industry. I think it is also an industry that spits you out when you can't keep up with that schedule. If your husband hates his job then I'd encourage you guys to rethink his career choice. But if he finds the work exciting and satifying, I suggest you get some counseling together to see if things can be balanced a little more to make you happier. There are other careers also that have extreme time or travel demands and people make it work when they want it to. Good luck!
I hear you, and I'm so sorry you're experiencing this. My situation is similar, though my husband comes home around 7pm but works on house projects in the basement till 2 or 3am and all weekend long (installing solar panels, a radiant floor heating system, seismic retrofitting, etc -- all by himself). So I feel totally alone. I used to get so depressed, angry, frustrated, disillusioned, sad -- this is not the marriage I want. But something has happened in me -- I don't like it, but it's how I'm coping. I've become indifferent. When he's around, I am happy that he is such a wonderful Papa. And, I am incredibly grateful that he's such a good provider and caretaker. But I have stopped waiting for him to be present, and I have started feeling that when he is around it's like icing on the cake. Nonessential, but marvelous nonetheless. So that when he's absent, I don't feel depressed. It's weird to feel so indifferent, but it's working. I love my son so much that I can be completely happy with him, and I try to treat every moment as if it's special, and I don't think about waiting for my husband for something to be special. I make nice dinners for the two of us (baby and me, with leftovers for daddy). I go to the ocean and play with my son and my dog, and for the most part I've actually stopped feeling sad when I see all the two-partner families happily playing together. I have made an effort to join a mama's group and sometimes I get together with other families (I always feel a little bad that my husband didn't join us, but then I remember to feel grateful for the fun outing). It's not what I want in a marriage or a family. But it's what I have, and things seem so much better now that my emotional life is not dependent on whether he is present or not. When he's around, I feel I can really embrace our family time. When he's gone, I try to forget about him and just be 100% present with my son. I try really hard to connect with other people (though my natural tendency is to be more solitary). And, I always try to be grateful. I have so much to be grateful for, and just remembering that helps me feel happy. Studies have shown that the more grateful you are, the more happy you are, and I can certainly attest to the truth of that. I hope that things will change in the future, but my emotions are not dependent on that hope, either. Things are much better for me now! Grateful and Happy
It is time to schedule a talk with him. Tell him how unhappy you are and ask to negotiate for a better future. Do the negotiations by brainstorming with abandon and being respectful of each other. If he feels he can not change his career path, work together to spend more time together (start taking trips with him often and finding alternative child care people, etc). Find time for each other and then the family to keep the bond strong and feel connected. Perhaps have a calendar to go over each week to schedule time together and for him to attend functions for the kids. You must be persistant and tell him this is not going to blow over. That it is critical now and must be addressed and worked on together as husband and wife. hope
I used to be in much the same boat as you -- husband working all the time, little ones at home, moved far from family and friends. I worked too which was also stressful since we had part time childcare and I did almost everything at home on top of my 40 hours/week at work. And I had given up a high-powered job that I loved to get a mellower job so that someone could be with the kids more. But, from the start we had an end date (when he got tenure) which made it more survivable.

Instead of fighting all the time about his schedule, can you talk to him? Ask if he envisions his life to be like this forever. Ask if he would be willing to do this for 3 more years or 5 more years and then get a mellower job. Then work on saving as much as you possibly can during those years. Pay off your house. Save for the kids' education. Build up a nest egg.

You might also want to see if you can go back to work, at least part time. Having more of a life yourself might make you feel better.

BTW, when he is on the road, going out to those dinners and drinks with co-workers and clients are part of his job. He probably wishes he were at home eating mac & cheese with you just as much as you wish you were going out to fancy dinners. Anon


I'm not sure I have much advise for you but here's a true story. My cousin's husband was very much like yours worked and traveled all the time. family moved at least 6 times as he was transferred around, finally was promoted so they settled in one area and he didn't have to travel so much. became more of a family man with a more balanced life. then his company was bought and the new owners gave him an ultimatum - take a demotion for less pay and previous hours with the old traveling life-style or take 6 mo severance and leave. He took the severance. He did find a job in spite of the economy but he earns half what he did before and they will probably lose their nice house.

It's hard to choose between financial security and a decent life. This may or may not be time to make that choice given the times. you say ''I know he's working hard to provide for the family'' this is a big deal for many men and there's a lot of pressure to do what it takes.

You also say, ''I would trade in some of the financial security for our family to feel whole again.'' Would you really? how much security? would you then look for a job to share the burden? Would you be able to earn enough to come out ahead of the hourly costs of childcare?

YOu mention feeling resentment, it may not feel liek it but resent is a choice you make. you can get yourself a life to occupy you while he works, as long as you wait around wishing you will be resentful but you do have to. If you feel like you can't plan because his schedule is unpredictable then schedule stuff that can include him or stuff you can just cancel. You have my sympathy, I'm not in your space but if I was, I don't think I'd like it much. But you do have options other than the ones you mentioned. anon


Dear Depressed (Husband works too much), I felt compelled to write to you because your story could be mine, and you are not alone in feeling the way you do. I have struggled with my husband's schedule for many many years while everything else is good. I realized many years ago that the work/travel hours were not going to change and it was a turning point because I started to let go of the resentment as it was, subtly, affecting our children and home life and corrosive for me. I too am a professional who stopped working to stay home with the kids as our combined work-life was impossible to sustain. Basically, I decided that my job was the home and family front. I began to relax into this job, with the kids, and began doing a lot more for myself, pursuing some other creative interests through classes over the years (UC extension/ASUC, cooking, literature, photography, exercise etc.), and making my home really livable. This takes a while, and while life can be somewhat isolated, there are great aspects to it. Raising children, having a loving home, being in a marriage, these are worthwhile things in life to surrender to and it can take many years to do so because we are educated and trained to do everything but value this. empathetic anon
I feel for your situation....as I was in your exact position 4 years ago. Yes, your husband's work will be a priority.....and it's difficult to complain to the neighbors or other moms if you are driving a nice care and finances are fine. If your husband is missing all important child events and starts canceling holidays, etc....I would be worried....but tread water when you confront him. I started complaining to my husband (now ex) and it was a risk I took....because he was very sensitive and thought I didn't appreciate the money/lifestyle he provided. I was a stay at home mom and had to look within myself and decide if this is what I would want for me and my life and also my kids. If you went back to work....would your kids have good support from family. Or, would they be with a nanny? You have to decide what you want for yourself. If you want changes in your family situation....you need to confront them and talk to your husband....but realize that there's a possibility he may not support you or change his lifestyle. I decided to go the nanny way to take time for myself...but I continued to by unsatisfied cuz my ex was still not there for kid events or weekend holiday fun. Finally, I had to ask for counseling ww My ex was completely enthralled in his work..traveling for 2 weeks straight to various projects and reading technical books and taking business calls at night. We went into counseling and the marriage ended up ending. I was devastated for my boys....who are still very young as well. Despite my worry for the boys, I am much happier as a person. I have a luxury of having enough money where I still don't need to work much. If you would like to discuss more...please email me. steph
I'm married and both my husband and I work full time. We try really hard to make things 50-50 and share equally in both providing for our family and raising our kids when we're home. So I don't blame you for feeling resentful. Boy, this raises my hackles as a feminist. It's so common in our society! Here's my thinking: the best parenting is done as a shared job. It was a mutual decision to have kids and raising them needs to be a mutual task, shared in partnership. This requires some sacrifice on the part of both people. You've sacrificed everything. Your husband has sacrificed nothing. He's going way beyond the basic job of providing for his family. It's easy to get lost in careerism. Time to pull him back. This is just my personal opinion but it's not okay for your husband to continue advancing his career. He's pursuing his personal career goals at the expense of his relationship with you and his family. Time to ask him to reprioritize and scale back his job, even look for a different career, so it's more in line with family life. He can always ramp up his career again as the kids get older, leave the house. As he downscales, you could take a part time job to help balance things. Advocate for your kids and yourself. All the best. anon
Hi! Me, too. Before we had our daughter (we are currently expecting our second), my husband and I were workaholics with successful careers. We'd do fun things together whenever schedule permitted. But as soon as we got married and had our daughter, I realised a definite shift in my focus, while my husband has unfortunately lagged behind. It has been over 2 years and we are expecting our second in a few months, and I still have to bitterly fight and struggle with the skewed work-life balance. At times, I feel bitter - bc he is the one forging ahead with his career, while mine is on hold. But I know this is a false emotion, because I would not trade taking care of my kids at this critical stage for anything in the world. And, also for their sake, I want a home where there is plenty of family time, a regular work schedule that does not eat into our time together, and an obvious focus on building us as a family versus job/financial security. In the end, to me, building a strong family and social network where the kids have memories of a golden childhood is far more meaningful than building individual careers, living in isolation, just so we can have a fat bank account. My husband argues that being an entrepreneur this will always be his life. I disagree, and feel despair. If he does not internalize the importance of shoving everything aside so he can be with us, even if that means having less ''stuff'', less money, I am not sure how I will provide for my kids the way we were by my parents - in fabulous memories of parties, picnics, vacations, fun together. I feel like my husband has to be strongly rebooted into understanding that it is not acceptable for him to arrange our family life around his work. It is a tough situation, bc mine like your's is a wonderful, sweet, gentle man. But things will have to change around our house. I cannot continue with the way things are, and I am determined to bring about that change in mind-set before our second arrives. Mostly this is accomplished through extensive talks that we try to have regularly..Hang in there. I hear you loud and clear... Sympathizer
Hello Married But Alone, I'm so sorry that your husband and you haven't been spending the amount of regular, predictable quality time together that you desire. It's great that you are listening to yourself and taking action by seeking advice.

One next step you can take is to figure out exactly, and specifically what you want and don't want in your ideal life with your husband and children. Then you can start to write down a list of what you want in that ideal life. Keep refining! Don't settle for: I want my husband and I to spend more time together, instead write: I want my husband to spend time with me and our kids between 6pm and 9pm every weekday, and all waking hours of Saturday and Sunday, except for the 5 hours when he will go to grandma's, and also pick up the dry cleaning. You get what I mean. Wrap yourself up in this beautiful dream.

The next goal here is to make sure you communicate with him so that he understands you are not attacking him, you are simply communicating exactly what you want - to be with him because you love him! Acknowledge his feelings, and also that his job is a huge part of his identity, his competence, and his survival. Then ask him how he feels or thinks about the situation. Make sure you absorb his ideas from a neutral place, not reacting to them, just letting them sit in your mind, the way you hope yours will sit in his mind. When you discuss ideas in a caring way, and approach with empathy, your ideas have deeper impact.

One third step you can take is to find ways to slowly create the life you want without changing someone else. For instance, maybe you could find a way to come and bring the kids on some of his trips, so you'll be together in the hotel room. Or have a friend watch the kids, and go with him alone sometimes. These might not be your solutions, but nurture your dreams and find the path which calls to you! I wish you well on your journey! Lauren


hi, i just wanted to validate your husband's feelings of feeling caught between a rock and a hard place. i'm a mom, and i also work in advertising, at an agency where there are both super-high expectations AND lots of people waiting in the wings, eager to take my place.

before i had my son, i worked all the time: nights, weekends, you name it. since becoming a mom, i constantly feel like i'm screwing up both at home and at work. at work, you just can't be the person who consistently says no, i can't stay late or no, i can't go on production or no, i can't take on any more projects. it will leave you extremely vulnerable, especially in this economy. just as in your situation, my income is our only income, and it's scary as hell to have that weight on your shoulders.

after changing jobs several times in search of a more family-friendly situation (which i don't think exists), i ultimately chose to take on a role that's pretty dull for me, but offers more predictability on the home front. it's depressing to see other people pass me by, but have to hope that eventually i'll be able to go back to working on stuff i care about. in the meantime, i'm trying to focus on the positives: i'm providing for my family and spending more time with my son than a lot of other parents who work in advertising.

your husband may be able to work less, but it will come at a cost. greater marginalization/vulnerability at work, maybe. or doing work that's not as great...which can also make him less marketable in the future, since getting new job offers always comes down to ''what have you worked on lately.''

it's tempting to consider a less challenging agency, but if your husband is on the more senior side (ACD or above), an agency that pays less or has lower expectations can actually end up being more stressful and time-consuming, since the work still has to get done, but there are fewer motivated/talented people to do it.

allllll that being said, your concerns are TOTALLY valid. i would feel the same resentment you do. i think you should try and approach the subject knowing that he probably feels equally bad/guilty/stressed/depressed about it, and discuss the risks versus the benefits of reducing his time at work.

again, i know you wanted to hear from people who were in the same situation as you, but i wanted to let you know that it's really, really, really hard on both sides of the equation. AdMom


It would be great if you could accept that your husband is and will not be available as much as you would like. In many ways you need to reframe your situation - you are a single Mom. Enjoy him when he is there as a perk and create your own life. Join or create a Mom's group (with some single Mom's), plan a regular weekly dinner with your kids and another family, plan vacations without your husband. It is more common that you think. Just don't plan on him being there. Make some more friends. Take the kids out to eat more. Your kids will not be young much longer and what a tragedy if you miss their childhood resenting the mac & cheese.

My husband is not available also. I choose to stay. It is not the perfect nuclear family but my life is full and rich. He is happier I'm not mad all the time. a Wife...


I would trade for your situation in a heartbeat. Have you ever lived with not enough or barely enough money? It's the worst. Your life sounds wonderful to me. The only issues you have are a little loneliness and perhaps jealousy of your husband's more social and exciting life. These are not difficult issues in the scheme of things, especially in a comfortable financial position. How about hiring some help for a few days or evenings a week and finding an interesting class to take or a social group to join? There are many moms out there who have to spend a lot of time alone with their kids -- you could try to find them via BPN, craigslist, Studio Grow, etc. and start a group, maybe trade off having dinners out or at each other's houses.

I think you should appreciate what you have -- a loving, faithful, and hard- working husband, a nice home, and a comfortable financial position. Sounds like a dream to me. My husband is a co-owner of a small business and works seven days a week, so I'm alone with my child a lot in a rental house where I spend a lot of time worrying about how we'll ever buy a house or pay for college.

I know it's extremely difficult that your husband is gone so much and I feel for you regarding that. But try to figure out how to make it work. Try to be creative about it. You are very, very fortunate to be in the situation you're in, and in my opinion you should be grateful and proactive, not just tuned in to the negative part. anon


My husband works long hours, and we went for years when if I saw him a couple of hours a day, that was it. Frankly, my advice is to accept it. At least for now. A couple of things may make your life easier. Is there a chance that as he gets more advanced in his profession and senior in his company, the demands will lessen? It may not be the right time to change jobs - but maybe thinking ahead a few years? If you have financial security, can you spend more on yourself, get someone to look after the kids so you don't feel so isolated? Getting a job, even if it creates more logistical issues, may help. Maybe lower your standards for parenting? You could be making it harder for yourself by thinking you have to be two parents. Kids are resilient. I will also say that it gets SO much easier when the kids get older. My relationships with my kids are very special, in part b/c I had that alone time with them. There's a silver lining - I actually enjoy having time alone without a husband to make demands on me.

I know I don't sound too sympathetic, I just feel like I had to face the same hard reality and it would have been better if I had accepted it earlier. It sucks when your life choices require compromises you thought you'd never make but sometimes you don't have good options.

One last thing - are you using the word depressed colloquially or clinically? If it's becoming a mental health issue, deal with that first and foremost - I found for a long time I thought the issue was my husband's hours but it was more complex than that. --Tough Love


hi, you might want to check out the book by mira kirshenbaum on ''our love is too good to feel this bad''--because, as some people have said, you do want more time with him because you love him and i'm guessing that being with the kids is not only work you want to share but a joy you want to share, with him. it is really hard, but if you two can come up with concrete things that he can do to make him more involved, you will both be happier...the book had lots of great suggestions. good luck, it sounds like it can get much better and will.... anon
I scanned responses, without intention to contribute. But someone has to say it... A nice house is not worth a good relationship. Period. On the one hand, thinking it does will make you afraid of reality, of change, of hope. On the other, it's a priority that will extinguish love, insidiously.

And this too: advertising is hardly a profession to sacrifice family over. I know that people burn with ambition, and selling is satisfying at a gut level, but these passionate feelings are cold as ice compared with family. To the person who posted, you already understand these things at some level, which is why your question exists. Let this understanding grow, and give it to your husband. You will strengthen your relationship as well as yourself. Brian


Hi Realize you recvd lot's of hits:)add my 2cents. Work is num.One priority in this house,I'm extremely grateful for the work.Some responses sounded judgemental albeit very good advice I needed to HEAR.Remember ''walk a mile in my shoes.''I love the money,but money doesn't make me HAPPY.My family and friends are far away,it's hard being alone ALL THE TIME.It takes time to develop a good support system.I'm from another country,took me FIVE years in transient land-ieBay area to have good friends.Try to talk to one of your close friends Daily.I get resentvle too.Alleviate some of that on'daddy's night' during week, any night that works. Grab a bite with friends or just exercise there's YMCA/late night Yoga.My dh takes wkend mornings, his childcare routine-morning breakfast,I try for one day on the wkend, mostly doesn't work out. You really have to lve house to get time for yourself-I Realize your goal is more family time.Taking turns with children's activities-not feasible,his schedule is crazy, I make lot's of home movies. Get out more and do more things.We drive over to fisherman's wharf for dinner.Eat out few times/week all the kiddie spots.We love the rain forest cafe.It's fun. I just have to accept the loneliness,create my own life,he's not going to change. If my husband worked less hours(less than 75)he'd be miserable.Enjoys being in his zone tremendously,all that excitement,in same breath tells me how much he misses us,work responsibilities are beyond his control.He's not allowed to work wkends anymore, although he just worked this SAT,that creates resentment. Like you, we have fought over his schedule, constantly.If you want to spend more time together,money not an issue get a good counselor.from Our experience u've got to go through about 5-6 to find a good match. It's really worth it.My husband trys to make time for counselling,always late/misses some. Counsellor reminds me to practice little exercises throughout the week discourages that resentment.Reminds him to walk a mile in my shoes.I gave up a beautiful exciting life,I too get depressed the more he works. Talking to someone will always make you feel better.Your kids husband need you happy, you have a good man like I do, they're really hard to find. Take good care of yourself joining Lonely Mom's Club soon
I'm a mom and have worked for the past 16 years in advertising. My perspective:

Advertising thrives on competition (especially Creative). There is a lot of ego involved too. The unfortunate result of this is the constant need to watch your back. Teams are pitted against each other on projects and the ''winners'' go off to produce work. There really is always ''someone in the wings.'' And that someone is probably 10 -15 years younger and will work longer days for 40-60% less. Advertising simply is not ''family friendly.''

This is not to say there aren't a ton of (mostly male) creatives with families. When I first returned from maternity leave, I complained bitterly to my husband about the ''ad guys.'' How could I compete? While I was running to the pump room and rushing home to tuck my newborn in, they hung out at the office endlessly and schmoozed over drinks with the bosses. I had one coworker (with 3 kids) tell me he came in on weekends ''to get away from the family.'' And another (2 kids/who I was competing against for a project) tell me he came in one weekend not to work, but because our new (male) directors were there. This caused me tremendous distress...

Until I got over it.

I decided for me, my family was more important than my career. Competing against the ''ad guys'' simply was not sustainable for myself or my marriage.

I now do work that is less sexy with less production. But, there's more management and I'm exercising parts of myself I hadn't before. I don't expect I will be able to easily step back into ''the good stuff.'' As the other ''ad mom'' said, you are judged on what you did last week. Oh well.

As I look at my life balance, this is where it needs to be.

It took me awhile to get here. It's not easy to shift from evaluating an agency/position based on ''what kind of work you'll get out of it'' to ''when you'll get out of work.'' I still give long explanations to fellow ''creatives'' for my current decisions (did I mention the amount of ego involved?)

I encourage you to speak up and let your partner know you are unhappy and that you need more (my husband told me this and I listened!) And seek a good counselor.

Ultimately I think having a family means sacrifices from both partners. [Funny when you choose to have a child you feel like you're ''adding'' something to your life/marriage - but it means giving up things too!] Good luck. Another Ad Mom


Full-time working mothers: How do you make it all work?

Jan 2005

I am a full-time working mother of a toddler trying to find that work life balance. I have a wonderful job that I love and am good at (and make a great salary) with a good, understanding boss as well as a great, helpful husband who works closer to the house and helps out a lot with our child as well as the household chores and grocery shopping. We love being with our child but during the week have only an hour or two by the time we get home from work, pick her up at daycare, make dinner, etc. It is hard to do anything after work anymore (pre baby I used to meet friends for dinner, etc.) but we like coming home to be with our child. I am also tired all the time!!

But I just feel like I never have enough time for friends anymore and since our only real free time is the weekends, we have to make choices - do we see friends, run errands, just spend time as a family, workout, go out to dinner or cook at home??

How do you make it all work and fit it without giving up too much? We only have one child right now but really want a second and know it only gets harder. Are there working mom support groups (I was in a mom's group earlier but most were SAH moms so our issues were very different when we got together and I had less in common with a career) where you can get together with other full time career moms and talk about these things?

My husband and I both need to work and really like our jobs. I just want to feel like I have more balance as a working mom.

Thanks full time working mom


I don't have advice, but your letter could have been written by me, to a tee! I feel for you and would love to hear what others have to say on this. wr
My husband and I have been studying under a international speaker of human transformation and he says it succinctly and honestly, ''You can't have a pleasure without a pain''. It's a universal law. We simply can't have it ALL at one time. Something gets sacrificed.

So, you pace yourself, plan way ahead, you pay people to do your errands, etc. to free up the time you have to do what you really want with friends and family. A second child will make this very apparent.

I think it is so great you have a job you love. That is so important. If you are happy, your children will be happy. Staying at home isn't for everyone and don't let them tell you otherwise. Enjoy your job, your child, your husband and your friends. If you can work 30 hours instead of 40, go for it. anon


Being a working mother can be tough (especially in the beginning) but it is worth it, especially given your overall situation. Don't give up on your career. My kids (now in elementary school) are happy, well-adjusted, and proud of what I do outside the home. Finding the balance is a challenge. Your child must be your priority. Your social life, personal time will come back. It will just be different (motherhood changes everything). I don't know of any local working mother support groups (we just don't have that kind of time!), but I have reached out to other working moms through my office and I also subscribe to Working Mother Magazine (www.workingmother.com). Good luck and hang in there! a fellow working mom
It is tough, no doubt about it. The only way we've been able to work it out is by having one parent work slightly less than fulltime. I work 4 days a week. I have a friend whose husband reduced his schedule to 4 days as well while she stayed working fulltime. I spend my day off doing errands, grocery shopping, dealing with repair people, paying bills, etc. so we can spend more family time on the weekends. We also ''outsource'' as much as possible - we have a cleaning service every other week and a gardener twice a month - so we don't have to do chores we hate on the weekends. We don't do any social activities during the week. Our childless friends we really don't see much at all, but we try. We do see our other friends with kids a lot because that allows us to combine family time and friend time. We get together for game nights or picnics or other family activities. I would love a moms group with working mothers. If you start one, I'll join! Juggling Mom
Hello- I don't have the magic solution to the ol' work-life balance, but I started a group that might be of interest to you.

It is a play/support group for working moms and dads. We meet once a month, on the weekend, so the kids can have fun and be their wacky selves. We do things like potlucks, field trips to Habitot or the Zoo, etc. We also have some mommy and daddy only events like movies and moutain biking. The children are almost all in the official toddler range.

All of the parents work, in some capacity, and we all struggle with the ''do I go grocery shopping and buy diapers on Saturday, or spend quality time with my family?'' debate.

Check out our group and send me an email if you are interested: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/workingmoms-dads/

Good Luck! deniene


I completely share in your frustration! We have a 4 year old and an 18 month old and both work full time. The only friends I have in the area are co-workers and many of them are significantly older than me (I am 31). By the time I get off work and home with the kids I have to cook dinner, clean up, get the youngest off to bed, dishes, re-braid hair 4 year olds hair, and convince her to get to sleep!! My husband feels neglected and I feel like I no longer have any type of life and I secretly look forward to going to my office since it's the only time I have to myself. (Except when I lock myself in the bathroom.)

It would be nice if there were working mom's weekend groups. However, there would need to be a lot of members since I am sure other things will come up and people will not regularly attend!

You may also look into a play group ring -- I am not sure what they call it -- but I have read that some families alternate watching all of the kids. This would ensure you a full house perhaps once a month and 3 weeks of some time off for a date with the hubby or window shopping! jounjian


I am also a full time working mom with 2 girls 5 & 7. My short answer is that juggling parenting, family and work is somthing that changes from week to week and month to month. Some days I have it under control while on others I feel very run down. Personally I exercise everyday before everyone has to get up. That means getting up an hour earlier than my children and being ready for the day before I wake the family. I have a treadmill at home which helps. Exercise is the thing that keeps me sane and healthy. I try to go to bed no later then 10pm and earlier if possible. I am tired alot of the time, but exercise definetly helps. Next, I am learning to say no. You cannot do everything and somethings need to be put aside. Third, I keep our meals very simple and use the time to be with the kids (my 5 year old loves to wash lettuce and wash tupperware, so we talk while we are ''working'', my 7 year old will read to us too) It doesn't always work, but sometime kids just want you there, you don't have to be engaged 100%. By the time I get home and put them to bed, I feel as if I have worked harded than the entire day! But that is the way it is for now. Next, I also do errands during work (if I am out of the office I may have to stop by Target on my way back, for instance). I also do my weekly grocery shopping early saturday and my laundry on Sunday (and if I get it folded and put away I am way ahead). The point is, I need to have my responsibilities structured so that they get done, and then I can do the fun things. I suspect that I will struggle with finding the balance or juggling the responsibilities until my children have children, but these little things help me. Focusing on what is important is key and learning to give up some things (temporarily) helps. My job is flexible but demanding and I am my own manager, but somehow it is working (probably because that is the way it is). A few last thoughts, look forward to spring when the days are warmer and longer and you can go for a walk before dinner or take dinner to the park (can't we eat samwiches or have take out for dinner?). Have fun and laugh with your kids. Decorate your walls at work with their art (mine looks like an art center) and talk about your kids so they stay in your thoughts all day. Good luck and if you every get wind of a great piece of artwork of someone juggling, let me know, I want to hang it up. Susan
I think that women have been sold a bunch of hooey about having it all. In my opinion, you can't have it all, all at once and stay sane. Working part-time works for me. I can always pick up my career again, but my children will only be young once. anon
I am the single, full-time working mom of a preschooler. It is very easy to feel in a rut during winter. In my experience, it works to make plans for a couple of weeknights per week. Such as, Tuesday evening at 7pm I will run errands; Thursday evening at 7pm I will go to the gym; Friday evening we will have carry- out for dinner and go for a flashlight walk. It also gets easier when your child is a little older as well as during daylight savings when you and yours can play outside after dinner. --a mom