||Colleges in California - Advice
I am wondering if anyone knows what are good colleges for film making/film studies? Also, any experience with a kid in school for film making?
Santa Monica College in Santa Monica Ca. is an excellent film-making college kkelly
Wesleyan University in Connectict has a well regarded film department. Others that I am aware of, but have no direct experience with, are UCLA, USC, NYU and Hampshire. I am sure there are many other excellent programs. Parent of a Wesleyan student
My daughter is a high school senior interested in studying fashion design in college. She already has done two excellent internships in the field and is sewing some of her own clothes. I am a single mom with a limited budget and she is a mediocre student academically. She has a passion for artistic things but not for sitting at a desk or in a library studying and writing. I'm wondering if anyone has any advice about where we might look for colleges that offer fashion design in a very hands-on sense and practical experiences like internships, but that don't require a 3.0 GPA and lots of money. We're willing to consider community college, but my daughter would like to leave the Bay Area (we know about College of Alameda) and be part of a new environment. We're not familiar with Southern California, but would consider something there if we could get some recommendations. We're aware of FIDM and other highly recommended schools, but they are expensive and don't offer good financial aid. We also would consider something overseas, where tuition appears to be reasonable at fashion schools. But we don't know one school from another there. Any tips, including someone to contact for further advice, would be appreciated. anonymous
I guess these two schools don't really meet your requirements, but I thought I would mention them.
San Francisco City College http://www.ccsf.edu/NEW/en/educational-programs/school-and-departments/school-of-business/fashion.html
UC Davis http://admissions.ucdavis.edu/majors/major_view.cfm?major=atxc
Maybe she could go to SF City College and transfer to Davis. Anon
Check out San Mateo's Fashion Institute of Design & Merchandising. http://www.collegeofsanmateo.edu/calendar/events/index.php?com=detail=9045 All the best! Barbara
I am hoping some parents of older teens have some experience with Willamette University and University of Puget Sound. And Salem vs. Tacoma, if you have lived in either city.
My son was accepted to both (yay!), but he is paralyzed in making a decision between them. Both are very good, small, liberal-arts schools, not too far from a big city. (Willamette in the capital of OR and an hour from Portland; Tacoma just south of Seattle.) My son wants to study history and possibly participate or minor in theater.
My take is that Willamette has a more robust theater scene, while Puget Sound has a bigger focus on music. It also seems like there are more business and psychology majors at Puget Sound, and more humanities majors at Willamette. Are those correct impressions? I think he'd like Willamette's location, which is walkable to a downtown area, over Puget Sound's more suburban setting.
Anything I'm missing, especially around the types of students on campus and the general campus vibe? Does it rain that much more in Tacoma over Salem?
My son is intellectual, quirky, and funny. He is into Dungeons & Dragons and Warhammer and would like to take up LARPing in college, etc. So, the outdoorsy stuff like kayaking and rock climbing isn't necessarily a plus. Thanks for any insights.
Willamette is quite small, as is Salem, even though it's the state capital. UPS seems like more of an up and coming school and it's very close to Seattle, which is a big plus with young people. My daughter took a tour of Willamette and was immediately turned off by the size and energy of Salem. If you haven't visited, you might consider it. My daughter said No Way to Willamette.
Two years ago my son was in the exact same positiion of choosing between those colleges. The good news is that you can't make a bad choice. They are both excellent schools with dedicated faculty and happy students. My son chose Willamette and has been very happy there. He is a history major and has enjoyed the fact that he has been able to access the state archives for his History of the US West class. He likes the town of Salem, which is right next to campus. Portland is less than an hour away, but he doesn't go up there much because he is busy on campus. There are trains and busses up to the city, and it's easy to get to the airport to fly home.
My son is also kind of quirky, and he has made wonderful friends and feels right at home at Willamette. The Willamette kids are sweet, they don't seem jaded or judgmental. It's a very welcoming place. His relationships with professors are close.
If you are able, I would suggest a trip north for your son to spend the night at each campus. My son did that, and came away feeling strongly that Willamette was the place for him. But again, I think both schools are very strong and he will be happy with whichever one he chooses. Willamette Mom
My son, a junior in high school, is passionate about jazz drumming/percussion and wants to study this in college. Does anyone know of resources-people or advisors or websites etc-that might help him figure out how to go about navigating the college applicationprocess? The high school counselor does not seem all that knowledgeable about this pathway. Thanks. Musician mom
Hi. One of my kids is in a Music Conservatory, and I know several kids, or young adults really, who are in Music school focused on drums. There is a lot of online information about this.
Check out the about.com site for Young Adults. There is a big section on applying to music schools. http://youngadults.about.com/od/collegeprep/a/conservatory.htm Cayford
My son is a jazz musician, currently studying in the jazz program at the University of Miami. He started his exploration of programs by going to the annual performing arts college fair in SF, which I think you can find info on here: http://www.nacacnet.org/EVENTSTRAINING/COLLEGEFAIRS/NCF/SPRING/Pages/default.aspx
There was also a workshop at the Jazzschool in Berkeley about college jazz programs - not sure if it will be repeated.
Our son's private music teachers were really helpful as well, particularly around preparing for auditions.
Good luck to you and your son! jazzmom
I can only say what I've seen: Students coming out of the Albany High Jazz Band have gone on to study music seriously and professionally at Oberlin Conservatory (Ohio), Berklee School of Music (Boston), U of Miami, The New School, and elsewhere. There are other music colleges (Westminster College in Princeton NJ or SF Conservatory, although I don't know if they do jazz) and there are colleges with good music programs (UC Santa Cruz has a Jazz program). These (maybe all music depts) require auditions, whether by CD or DVD or in person (sometimes there is a West Coast event for auditions). Some students have written or arranged jazz music, and had it recorded by their high school combo or band, in order to strengthen their resume. Some have taken classes at the Berkeley Jazz School while in high school. Some have played in various local and state honor bands.
Music is a wonderful thing to have in your life, but like most entertainment and arts fields, it's a terribly hard way to make a living. Even the ones who want it most aren't always able to do so. Most music professionals either tour all the time and are never at home, or teach music, or are underemployed. If it were my child, I would want him to be realistic about it as a career, and encourage exploration at college of at least a few other interests. On the other hand, when better than your twenties to travel around a lot? Good luck with this!
We found Wendy Morrison to have a broad knowledge of the programs across the country. She is a private college counselor in Kensisington. Her son was in the BHS jazz program a number of years ago, and she advised my son, who is a senior in the program this year. You can reach her at: wendymorrison [at] ix.netcom.com Also, Down Beat magazine comes out with a list of top programs each year, I think in the summer, or you can get ahold of last years' edition. Good luck! raissa
I think any good college counselor will be knowledgeable about good classical music schools and programs. I saw your posting and wanted to make one comment. My daughter does classical voice (opera) and one of the schools her college counselor recommended was Vanderbilt. My daughter was not even going to apply until my husband did some reading on the program. The Blair School of Music is fantastic and really gaining in reputation now. And there are only 200 students in the school and there is so much individual attention. (The freshman dorms actually have practice rooms in them with pianos...) My daughter LOVES it. She has also been able to keep up her piano (she gets a private lesson every week). I am a financial aid analyst at Cal, and we were thrilled when my daughter got her offer letter. Vanderbilt is one of about 20 or so colleges that meets full need with scholarship for every undergraduate student. In the long run, Vandy will be less expensive for us than the UCs my daughter got accepted into. SW flies there--15 minutes to the airport--another bonus. Feel free to contact me if your son would like to connect with my daughter. sarah
My 17-y-o son, who will be entering his senior year of high school, is interested in studying restorative justice in college. He found out about a program at University of Montana - Western that looks very good to him. We have not been able to go out there, and are wondering if any other schools offer this type of program. Recommendations of other colleges with criminal justice programs (not necessarily restorative justice) are appreciated also. mom of idealist
To find California colleges that offer a criminal justice major, on the website www.californiacolleges.edu, click on Explore Colleges and then use the Undergraduate Matching Assistant. Type in Criminal Justice as the major you want to search for and your search will give you a long list of colleges that have that major. Anonymous
A Great choice: congrats to him! Fresno Center for Restorative Peacemaking is one of the best: peace.fresno.edu/rjp/
Eastern Mennnonite is one of the first: www.emu.edu/cjp/restorative-justice/
A few more to check out: www.suffolk.edu/college/1496.html and cms.skidmore.edu/campusrj/tra.cfm micky
My teen is looking for sound engineering/audio engineering-type programs at California community colleges. Unfortunately we're having a hard time finding which campuses have them and which ones are good. Partly, they're buried within music departments and partly there doesn't seem to be a good search tool across campuses for relatively obscure programs like this. Anyone know of a good resource or have personal information? Also interested in similar info on any Cal State/CSU campuses. Thanks! Music Dad
Hi -My son is applying to colleges with sound recording/audio engineering programs and he and I have spent some time researching them. For the community colleges, Foothill seems to be the best. It has a certificate program in Pro-Tools. We didn't find many others that looked good to him. Cabrillo College also has a decent-looking program. For the CSUs, check out SF State (where my son knows someone in the program); CSU Monterey Bay; & CSU Dominguez Hills (through the Digital Media Arts Program). If your son would consider going out of state, check out SUNY Purchase, CUNY, Northeastern, and Berklee College of Music, among other places. We went to visit SUNY Purchase and LOVED it; it's also sort of affordable even out of state. If you want more info or to know about our research process, feel free to email. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out our kids know each other. w.
The first three local schools that come to mind are DVC (Diablo Valley College, a community college) in Pleasant Hill, San Francisco State, and Expressions College for Digital Arts in Emeryville. I can't speak to the quality of one school over another, but I do know a few colleagues who have taught at all of these schools and know they are very knowledgeable in the sound recording field.
You don't mention whether your child is male or female, but The Women's Audio Mission in San Francisco is a fantastic resource for women who want to learn more about or advance within the areas of audio engineering and production.
Over time I've heard from parents of music-minded kids that there are excellent sound recording programs at USC (hard to get into unless you're an A student), NY State U at Syracuse, and Cal State U Northridge. There are also technical schools. I once heard that Albany HS has a sound recording studio but I don't know if there's a teacher or class for that. Good luck!
I asked my nephew about this as he is working in this field right out of college. He attended Cuesta Community College in San Luis Obispo and says that they have great sound design classes. Good luck! Aunt to a budding sports recording producer
This is a great site for finding classes in the California Community Colleges-Courseopedia http://www.courseopedia.com/cpd/ Mary
What are some strong (academically) liberal arts colleges that are not too isolated geographically (near an interesting town) and not in a very cold climate. Our daughter would like to go to such a school and she is a good student but wants a smaller school. anon
My daughter was also looking for a small, liberal arts school near an urban area and these were some that interested her:
- Los Angeles: Occidental, Claremont Colleges, Chapman University, Loyola Marymount.
- Portland: Lewis and Clark, Reed.
- Seattle Area: University of Puget Sound.
She chose Occidental and loves it. Good luck. Freshman mother
Check into Soka University of America. It is near Laguna Beach in So. Cal and I found it to be an oasis of beauty and student centered teaching. Classes are small and mostly seminar type. It is very diverse and multicultural - students from over 15 countries attend. They have wonderful facilities and a library that is gorgeous. It seems well rounded and the food in the cafeteria is excellent - even many organics! I was very impressed. Sindy
Hi all, I'm looking for advice or recommendations on non-traditional colleges. My son is an independent-minded individual, very intelligent but has not really thrived in traditional academic settings with an emphasis on performing primarily to achieve a grade. A small environment, with a course of study that's more integrated and project based might, I think, work for him. He's definitely not interested in a school in Southern California or in a large urban area. I've been looking at Evergreen State College in Washington and would love some feedback. Or, if you have other suggestions that would be great. Thanks! Searching for the right fit
Our daughter has ADHD and is emotionally about 3 years behind where she should be for her age. She graduated from high school last June.
We did the typical college search tour, but it was pretty clear that none of the larger colleges would be right for her. We were lucky to stumble on Southern Oregon University in Ashland, Oregon. So far it's been perfect! It's relatively small (e.g. ~6000 students) and in a very nice town. It's a teaching college, not a research college, so the faculty are very in-tune with what the students need to learn.
This is not to say she hasn't had challenges. She has, but they have been the normal kinds of problems that most kids face when they're away at college for the first time. She's still very positive about SOU, and so are we. Satisfied So Far
Check out St. John's College in Santa Fe, NM. Very unique and strong great books program, small, special, gorgeous place to live or visit. They have a sister campus in Annapolis.
oh, forgot to mention, no grades at St. John's. But not project-based either... everyone is on the same curriculum, reading all the great books, and graduates with a philosophy major & math minor, with deep science, music, Greek and French languages, very integrated.
Another small college to check out is Colorado College in Colorado Springs. They are project-based, on the block program (1 class at a time, in depth.) Kristen
We visited Evergreen with our son. Although ultimately, it was not the school for him, I think it is worth visiting. The campus is beautiful, and the curriculum very non-traditional. A lot of their graduates successfully go on to pursue graduate degrees. Your child, I think, needs to be very self-motivating and independent to go there. wmdj
I would first suggest you and he get the book and go to the website called COLLEGES THAT CHANGE LIVES: http://www.ctcl.org/
That book is a great start (Evergreen is one of the schools in the book. I have been a proponent of alternative education since I was in high school many, many years ago. I went to Antioch College (Yellow Springs, OH), but can't recommend that school at the moment - maybe in a few years.
Wesleyan University http://www.wesleyan.edu/, while not in the book is a wonderful school that attracts more ''alternative'' students. It's in Middletown, CT.
We know a couple of kids who attend Clark in Massachusetts (it's in the book, above). They wanted the type of school you are looking for and have been quite happy.
Finally, some of the colleges that were originated by the Quakers are all pretty open-minded. Haverford and Swarthmore (both in the same consortium) are two I can definitely recommend. See: http://www.quaker.org/colleges.html
While some of these schools are more difficult to get into, they also don't place 100% emphasis on grades and SATs. The interviews and essays can really help, especially at a school that he would most likely be interested in.
My daughter goes to Bryn Mawr (still all-women) and it is part of the Haverford/Swarthmore consortium. Those students are quite well-rounded and interested in helping the world - not just ''book-learning''.
If finances are an issue, I think that Evergreen is one of the few state schools that is ''alternative''. However, most of the more ''open-minded'' schools seem to be need-blind, too, as they want to have a diverse student body.
Here is one of a few online lists of schools that don't require SATs but not all of those schools are alternative. http://www.fairtest.org/university/optional
This should get you started. Good luck. I have 20 year old twins and their senior year was quite a year - both exciting and stressful. Elizabeth
Depending on your son's grades and interests, you might want to look at Hampshire College (www.hampshire.edu). It is in Massachusetts, but offers a fairly different approach to learning at the college level. Good luck! Feel free to contact me if we can be of any further assistance with your son's college search. Betsy
My daughter is interested in going to a culinary school but would also like to attend a good college and get a Bachelor's Degree. If you know of a school with a good reputation in both, or another way to combine the two, please let us know. It seems that a choice has to be made between one or the other. Mother of a baker
My sister went to Cornell and I was impressed by the Hotel School there. Here's what the website says now:
Cornell Hotel School, The Culinary Institute of America Create Collaborative Degree Program January 10, 2006
Ithaca, N.Y., January 9, 2006 - The Cornell University School of Hotel Administration and The Culinary Institute of America (CIA) have created a collaborative degree program for students seeking a preeminent education in hospitality management and the culinary arts. Students who complete this intensive program will earn a Bachelor of Science (B.S.) degree in Hotel Administration and an Associate in Occupational Studies (A.O.S.) degree in Culinary Arts.
Might be a possibility for your daughter. Mary in Oakland
you might want to check out Univ of Massachusetts. A friend's dad headed up the culinary program there for many years, and of course it has regular academics, too. heidi
My niece on the East Coast sounds like your daughter. She went to a summer program at Johnson & Wales that solidified her decision to pursue a career in cooking but to combine it with a bachelor's degree. Johnson & Wales has 4 campuses (same training program at all 4) - Providence, RI (original& main campus), North Miami (where my niece was), Charlotte NC and Denver. The summer program she attended was for High School Jr's & Sr's - there may be others too for younger students. J& W offers both associates and bachelors degrees. She highly recommends it, says she learned a lot and it was an intense week.
Here are some other things she has investigated (none in the West though, maybe too far for your daughter). You might also want to contact Karen Rogers who started the Sprouts Cooking Club here in Berkeley. The program is for younger kids, but she is probably a good resource for advice http://culinarykids.org/
CIA (Culinary Institute of America) - very prestigious for training chefs - in Poughkiepsie NY. CIA now offers a bachelors degree program. I think people need some work experience prior to enrolling at CIA. There is also a CIA type school in Michigan - not sure where.
Also Drexel U in Phillie offers culinary studies and Drexel is known for its co-op/intern programs.
One other summer program that includes cooking is through a program run by Julian Krinsky. They use space at one of the Phillie colleges - Bryn Mawr I believe
Good Luck- Sarah
My daughter is single-mindedly focused on music, playing electric guitar and becoming a famous rock musician. She skates by in high school. We're strongly encouraging her to apply to college/community college as a ''back up plan'' but she is unsure. She does not read music, so music as an academic plan/major seems unrealistic. We've been looking into programs in audio recording and sound engineering as a way to help her to see opportunities in continuing her education.
Do you have advice on (a) where to look for programs like this at public universities and/or community colleges (i.e. don't suggest hard-to-get-in schools where she wouldn't get in or Ex'pressions College in Emeryville which lists tuition of $80k per year), (b) suggestions for learning more about this as a career path -- e.g. current volunteer or internship opportunities, classes a high school kid could take now, mentors? Thanks! Anon
''She does not read music, so music as an academic plan/major seems unrealistic.''
It's true that most college/university music departments will turn up their noses at an applicant who doesn't read music. But there are two responses to that, both true: Not all successful musicians learn their trades at universities; and no musician should refuse to learn to read and write music.
I was thinking between cues as I sang in a chorus on the stage of the Paramount Theatre this evening: when young people say they're contemplating a career in music, they're told it's a hard way to make a living. What they're not told is, that's true of every line of work, from professor to plumber. Every violinist, every trumpeter, every cellist, every flutist, every percussionist in the orchestra accompanying us was probably a couple of gigs, a couple of students, or a day job away from poverty; but so am I, and so are many people I know.
So while I can't recommend a school for your daughter, I would strongly encourage her to learn to read and write music, and to ask her fellow musicians about possible mentors. If she doesn't have fellow musicians to ask, that's another big problem and she'd better start fixing it right now.
Learning to read and write will demonstrate that she's serious about her craft and will vastly expand her opportunities and the number of possible mentors. And it's not that hard. She could learn it in six weeks. It's mostly a matter of practice. John
A previous reply to this question said ''they're told [a career in music is] a hard way to make a living. What they're not told is, that's true of every line of work, from professor to plumber.''
I don't agree. There are some professions, such as plumber, where anybody with skill can make a living. This might also be true for some computer-related professions. Musicians, on the other hand, can be recognized virtuosi and still not be able to make a living from music. (I grew up in the part of Los Angeles where all the hot studio musicians lived. There were more virtuosi per square mile than anywhere else in the world. Yet, only a disappointing few were actually able to make a living as a musician.) Jon
Dear Anon, Young Performers International offers both school-year and summer music internships for teens who are passionate about music, and this may be of interest to both you and your daughter. We have an extraordinary group of young interns, many of whom grew up in the program, and all of whom have shown a significant leap forward in motivation and academics, and then placed highly when it came time to apply for college. The unique approach that our musician/teachers take with teens -- treating them like working partners rather than xerox slaves - leads our interns to understand through experience what it takes to make it in the real world as a working musician and I think your daughter would thrive in this intense and focused environment. Once they ''get it'', learning to read music and understand music theory can be accomplished in a matter of weeks.
We have ongoing internship opportunities for rock musicians all day Sunday at both Renegade Studios in San Rafael and Lennon Studios in San Francisco. Here she would not only have a chance to learn from highly regarded professional musicians like Joshi Marshall (The Joshi Marshall Band) and John LoGiudici (Echo Beach) but also coach the up and coming next generation of legendary Bay Area musicians which would give her a real, marketable skill. This internship could in turn lead to a paid internship at our extraordinary YPI Summer Rock Camp experience which culminates in a public rock concert at San Francisco's iconic Cafe Du Nord.
A year or two of interning at YPI could be just what your daughter needs to help her figure out a realistic life plan as a working musician. We have seen it again and again in our students and interns.
Please check us out on the web at www.youngperformersintl.org, or give me a call at 415 420 2960 if you'd like to find out more about our internship program. All the best, Leela Pratt Executive Director Young Performers International
Questions about Specific Colleges
Does anyone have experience with Deep Springs College? My son has his heart set on going there, but we don't know anyone with personal experience. I read a Vanity Fair article (posted on the Deep Springs website so they must not totally disagree) which made it sound a little quirkier than may work for my son. mom of high school senior
I have an acquaintance who attended Deep Springs, though I didn't know him then. Email me and I'll put you in touch with him. Lisa
My brother is a DS alum from the '80's, I visited the ranch/campus while he was there, and I know several younger DS alumni as well.
It is an incredible school, where young men are trained for lives of leadership in whatever field they choose to pursue. Yes, it is quirky, in that there are only 24 (male) students, it is a non-degree-granting two-year institution, the students must participate in physical labor, and the students run the school. There are demanding academics coupled with strict, student-chosen and sanctioned rules of behavior, including no alcohol or drugs on campus (which basically means the entire high-desert valley). There are no interscholastic athletics. It is certainly not for every teen.
This said, if the life of the mind and of the rugged outdoors appeals to your son, if he has explored the DS website, read the Fiske and other college guides and feels that DS is calling to him, by all means, he should apply. I imagine that the folks at DS can put him (and you) in touch with alums and parents of alums to answer any questions he/you might have. If it is too quirky for him to continue with the application process, he will discover this in his conversations.
DS alums end up leading interesting lives--they go from DS to the Ivies, to Stanford and other top schools, they pursue lives of service and exploration. My brother's classmates and the other alums I have met are admirable men. I would have liked to have gone to DS myself, but I am female. The possibility of DS going coed is an ongoing discussion amongst the students and Board of Trustees, and it may happen in the near future.
Good luck with the college search! DS sister
My son's college advisor encouraged him to apply to Deep Springs College. She raved about it and stated that it's so highly respected, that boys who graduate from the school (only a 2 year program), pretty much are accepted to any four year college of their choice. I hear it's very hard to get into. Unfortunately, my son didn't like the idea of being way out in the desert with no urban life or females around. Good luck
Ex'pressions in Emeryville bills itself as a college offering a BA degree. However, it really looks like a vocational school training students in animation, media, and audio engineering. I have nothing against vocational schools, but Ex'pressions seems to be offering a token history class here or there as a way of claiming to offer a full BA.
Am I off base here? If you have experience with Ex'pressions, could you share how it really works? My daughter is interested and I am skeptical. Anon
You're right about the thinness of the humanities offerings at Ex'pressions. The school is very good at what they specialize in, though. The quality of the students varies widely. - taught there
I am a private music teacher in Berkeley (piano, guitar, sax, flute, clarinet, theory). A few years ago I was contacted by Ex'pressions and interviewed for a teaching position there, teaching a music software course. I decided not to take that position. However, I was very impressed with the school and their facilities. They seemed to be on the cutting edge in arts technology, and their teachers were active in their field. Their advantage seemed to be that there are no summer vacations, therefore you earn your degree in 3 years instead of the usual 4 years. In terms of whether Ex'pression is a vocational vs. a well-rounded college, I would say it might be more accurate to call it a vocational school. But if it is accredited to give degrees, then that degree is just as valid as a university degree. (Be sure to check their accreditation status.) Ernie M
Hi Anon, My daughter sent this to me and I think it says it all....
My mom passed your post on to me because I'm going to Ex'pressions College and I'm Majoring in Sound Arts. I just started my 3rd term (a term is 5 weeks long). Each term I take two classes. I love it! I'm learning a lot and the teachers are really good and well qualified. Most importantly they are all willing to work with students individually if needed. The classes are small, giving the teachers time to work with each student.
Ex'pressions is accredited and I will get my BA. In the Sound major we don't even get to take a sound class til the second academic year, after GEs. Right now I have taken an Analytical Writing class, an American History class, and one of the common core classes in which my group made a short 7min video start to finish.
I know that Ex'pressions is a big commitment and my parents made me do a lot of work to prove that I wanted to go, because its not that kind of school where you can go and then play around.
While going here I have worked really hard. The classes are only 5 weeks long. Missing too much class time (including being late, or leaving early) means failing the class. Students have to stay on top of our homework if we want to pass the classes.
I love this school! During the year I took off after high school I learned that things were not handed to me in life like they had been in high-school, I learned that I have to work for what I want - I have to earn it! I have made friends quicker here than anywhere else. I love being in the environment that the school gives us to learn and work in.
I know this is long, I'm sorry about that. But I tell you all of this because I want you to know what I went through to get into the school because in a way it prepared me (and I hated my mom for making me do it), but now I see that it was the right thing. I know its a lot of money to put into a mainly vocational school but they do offer GE's & I have learned a lot from the two that I have taken so far.
I hope this helps. Good luck. Danielle