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Hi, thinking of heading down South for Spring Break to look at colleges with my son who is math/science oriented. Just trying to figure out the best way to go about this and how many schools we could realistically expect to visit in 3 or 4 days. is there a good central place to stay to be able to hit several such as UCLA, USC, Caltech, maybe UCSD? Are tours the way to go? Any and all input appreciated! Mom just getting started
We did best touring one college per day, and signing up for the official tours, but we had one week to see 6 colleges, most of them miles apart. It's hard to get the flavor of a campus without talking to students, although some schools' admission offices sponsor online student blogs for this purpose, and the students will answer emails. When you're on campus, remember to notice subtle things like body-language and expression: Are students walking alone only? Do they look oppressed, animated, thoughtful, cheerful, defensive? Are conversations going on around you? Are any students having fun together? What do the posters at the student center and dorms say-- are there activities, problems, upcoming concerts? Do you see any professors? Is there recycling and bike paths? Do the students look like people your student would like to know? The student newspaper (if any) is also a good source of flavor. Try to have a good time, too!
Our daughter is a sophomore in high school, and beginning to think ahead to college. She's very interested in attending a small liberal arts college on the East Coast, but that is pretty abstract and not connected to any college in particular. I'd like to take her back East over spring break to begin the process of identifying which school(s) might be a good fit. I know that there is a current discussion here about organizing oneself for the college application process, but we have specific questions about college visits: how to sort out which of the many prospective colleges a student should actually visit, how to narrow down the field, how many visits to fit into a week's time on the East Coast, how to see the student body in action, and so forth. Anything else we should be thinking of? We are in the earliest stages of the process and want to make the best use of our time back East in the spring. Early planning stage
This is a great website: www.collegeboard.com/ Have you tried it yet? It really helps to sort colleges by types and regions, also admission requirements, and financial info is all there. Best of all its FREE. Before you buy anything start with that website.
The problem with Spring break visits is that the colleges may also be on Spring break. It all depends. I don't know if there is an ideal time to visit. We visited in early June at the end of a High School year. Downside: classes were not in session at most schools; Upside: students were on campus getting reading for Summer Sessions and we were able to get a lot of inpromptu one on one tours, and get a real feel for the schools.
We overestimated how many schools we could see, and underestimated how much time it would take at each campus and to travel between schools in regions we did not know well. 2 schools per day really is max. In Boston I think we saw 4.
We also liked this website and bought some of the guides: http://collegeprowler.com/
My student was very interested in student quality of life, and looking for peers she with whom she felt connected.
Every campus tends to have a distinct style, especially since colleges often have a type of student they are looking for. You often see very diverse ethnic and racial student bodies, yet there is a definable narrow range of personality types to each school. Hard to see that on the standard scripted tours, but you get more of a feel by walking around, talking to students, or sending your student to spend an overnight visit. Hate to stereotype but small colleges are more like villages than cities IMHO. If you find a comfortable fit, it goes a long way.
Beware, you might want to attend college too
My son is junior in High school and I am sure this question must have come many times, what is the best time for High school student to visit colleges, should they visit college during junior year? My take is that they should visit after they have been accepted by few colleges then to make a decision between those colleges they should visit only those colleges. I want him to apply to all the good colleges based on college ranking. Please share your views and experience on this. N
Late Winter early spring. Were the visits helpful? NO!
My child found more info about the colleges he was intersted in on- line. (And not on the college's web site either, use the sites the studnets use.
Many colleges have class lectures on-line now which is a good way to get a feel for what classes are like. (My child actually took a full semester class from MIT while in High School to see what it was like.) He purchased the text on Amazon, took the exams, graded them himself and took the final all for a class that took place 2 years ago. (This was done all for fun, no credit was received.)
Once my child was accepted we did visit the school that was the first choice just to make sure he would like it and be happy there.
Use on-line resources. Look at instructors web site, studnet web sites/forums, and YouTube videos. ANON
I felt visiting colleges was essential for my children. They both had the chance to see the layout of the schools, observe the population (diversity), sit in on some classes, get a feel for the culture (a central meeting place for students, near stores, dorm life, necessitating a car, etc). Back East--the weather (we went over spring break here--it was snowing there). It was really important to go while classes were in session. They had the opportunity to talk with students to see what they liked/disliked about the school and why they chose it. That said, it's not cheap to go East. We planned it so we saw several in the general area--it takes some work to pull it together but I'm glad we did. It made her choices so much clearer. Good luck. been there, done that
With 2 kids in college and a nephew who is a senior, we found college visits to be an absolute neccesity to assist the kids in deciding what felt right for them. We are lucky in the Bay Area that there is close proximity to many many schools and its easy to do. Your child should first look at the different school and decide what they are interested in and which school might have it. We went to a few schools we knew she wasn't interested in but they were nearby and it was good to see a variety.
We did alot of school visits over spring break junior year - the UC's and CSU's we went to were all in session and they all have great tours - you need to book far in advance for some schools and others you can just show up - check the web sites - they all have prospective student websites. We did a 6 day trip south and managed to see UCLA, San Diego State, UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara and Long Beach. My daughter went on to Davis on a bus offered by Davis that took kids from the local high schools. She went with other families to see a few other schools and we also took some other kids with us. At many of the sites she knew some kids who were older and attending and we met up with them to see dorms and talk to them about their experiences. The kids also traveled on their own to a few schools where they had friends they could stay with and attended the tours and visited with friends and were able to stay in the dorms to also see more schools than I had time to take them to.
My daughter did apply to several private and out of state schools, where it would have been necessary to get some financial aid to attend. We decided to wait to see if she got in and if they offered aid and then we could schedule a trip to visit if it was a viable option. good luck
The College Board website is a good place to start -
http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/adv_typeofschool.jsp This is a free website with lots of info
Everything will cost time or time + money, so first thing set aside time every week, if your teen is not interested maybe cook a fav lunch or bake cookies, find something to engage her in the search since she is going to college.
You can visit local campuses after school, on a teacher's work day or on weekends. Even if she is not interested in that school, you can get a feel for other campuses, - an older campus vs a modern one, a commuter school vs one with dorms etc. Traveling to out of state campuses or out of town ones is very worthwhile but again will either entail a lot of driving or some cash or credit card miles to buy plane tickets. Most colleges will require appts and will have tours at specific times, and certain days.
Make an appt with her college counselor ASAP, even if they are busy - hopefully her school still has one. If not the public libraries probably have college catelogs, and the main books that list all the schools. Contact schools online - they all have websites, send for catalogs from only the most interesting ones - or you will have too much to look at.
Private colleges are incredibly expensive these days. Full scholarships are rare, though we are supposed to get better breaks from the Feds soon. You might look at state schools like University of Texas, or Canadian public colleges that have much lower tuitions.
She can also attend a Community College for two years and take the track that helps her transfer to a UC. CSU however has many campuses with great programs so I would not overlook, or underrate that option. Coming out of college without a backbreaking load of debt is an important consideration, very few professions help you pay off that debt quickly. been thru college apps, looking at grad school now
We waited until our daughter received acceptances, then we narrowed down our visits for Spring of her senior year. We made plans to reserve time to do this and visited three schools up and down the west coast, including Canada. There was one east coast school that we would have made a trip for, but that was the one school to which she was not admitted. We were able to make appointments at each school and often on-the-spot were able to get tours of specific departments. This worked out well for us, however, if your son is set on a non-west coast university, then it may help to check some of them out ahead of submitting applications. Mother of a Sr in college
My daughter is a sophomore in high school and next year we will have to start deciding on colleges to which she will apply. Does anyone know of any college trips that are pre-arranged? When I was growing up, my parents paid for me to go on a trip that was organized and led by a woman who did this for her living. We visited most state and UC schools-stayed overnight for a few nights- it was quite fun and very helpful. I am a single mom with another teenager and cannot imagine planning a trip to various schools on my own-the logistics of when to visit-who to meet-campus tours-where to stay-all overwhelms me a bit. Any advice helps! thanks! anon
Yes, I can highly recommend a local resource: College Choices 4 U, Judith Flannery, San Leandro, (510) 276-7021. Judith is an independent college advisor. My daughter and many of her friends went on a well-paced organized 7 day trip to I think 7 or so colleges (public and private, big and small, coed and all women, religious and not) in SO CAL with Judy in 2006 when my daughter was a sophomore in HS, during Easter break. It was very well planned, structured and open at the same time, and was reasonably priced. It included fun outings( a day in Disneyland)with all the campus tours, etc. My daughter had a great time and got all the information she needed to take the next steps. Excellent approach, professional and both parent and girl-friendly. Louise
We're parents of a junior. During the Spring break and summer we'd like to tour some college and university campuses in Southern California and the Southwest or the Northwest? Any ideas of where to begin in terms of joining an organized tour anytime? Help! Cathleen
Some high schools sponsor trips for groups of students to certain sets of colleges the school considers to be interesting. But that kind of 'tour' (back east, say) may not hit the places that your student is really interested in. Also, the tours I've heard of have been for the students (and a few teachers or advisors) only, not for families. (I could be wrong.)
If you want to go as a family and to visit several different kinds of places, I suggest that you narrow your focus ahead of time. So where to begin your campus tour - at the bookstore! The problem with choosing a college is not that there are too few, but that there are too many. I'd suggest that before you go off to Southern California, the Southwest, or the Northwest with your High School junior, you pick up a copy of the latest annual 'Fiske Guide' to the most interesting colleges in the US. It will tell you a LOT - my daughter and I read it almost cover to cover. My son skipped over almost all of the liberal arts colleges and concentrated on technical/research institutions. Also pick up a copy of 'The College Admissions Mystique' by Bill Mayher. Talk as a family about what your own student is interested in. We made up matrixes with colleges down the side vs. desired qualities (according to your student) across the top. From 25 or 30 to start, we narrowed the list to 10 or 12. Even that was too many to visit for us, partly because they were really spread out across the country.
Before making travel reservations, find the web sites of the colleges you are most interested in. Take their virtual tours. They are fun and give you a beginning impression of the campus. Also check the college ratings online or in a magazine (Business Week?). Then make up your own itinerary of what you what to see. Call to get reservations at the individual campuses, and also for interviews on-site if they are available or necessary. Either through friends or by calling the Admissions Office, it can be arranged for your student to stay overnight at the dorm, to go on a tour, etc. If you are interested and get on the mailing list, the campus may send you flyers about open houses or special events for prospective students and their parents. You may want to be with your student part of the time and then to let them off on their own part of the time.
It is good to visit before applying if you can! After getting the acceptance letters, if you still haven't seen the colleges, you can visit then (April of Senior year). Nice to know your student is accepted, but then he or she is under pressure to decide pretty quickly. And the air-fare at short notice can be costly. My daughter turned in her response in person at the campus of her choice on the deadline day. Whew! (She's in grad school now.) Good luck and have fun!
My daughter is going to be visiting some colleges this fall. Her father or I plan to go with her, which annoys her greatly. She says that No one's parents accompany their kids on these visits. Since visiting the financial aid people is the main item on our parental agenda, something our daughter can't do effectively herself, we figure she will just have to get over it. However, I am wondering if parents do or do not generally go with their kids on these visits. Also, how is this handled when the college invites the child without mentioning the parent? Louise
When I went to a college with my daughter last week, every student was accompanied by at least one parent. The tour was for everyone - parents and students. The interview was for the student alone. While the student was being interviewed, an admissions officer conducted an informational session for the parents. I believe this is standard procedure. Cynthia
Reply to Louise re: Visiting Colleges: I went with my almost 17 year-old daughter the first 2 weeks of August to visit a few colleges down in Southern California (this trip was combined with a vacation). Although I have come to accept the fact that teens do not want their parents around and want to handle their lives themselves, I can tell you that my daughter never said one word against us going together and, as a matter of fact, she was somewhat relieved and even glad that I was there with her (there are a lot of questions to ask!). I can also tell you that, from what I've seen this summer (we toured 5 colleges) most high-school students had at least one parent--if not the whole family!--touring the campus with them. There were just a few students without a parent, but they were in a small group with some of their friends or colleagues. Even though the colleges' invitation is in the student's name, parents are always welcome and to a certain extent, expected. Patricia
I just sent my daughter off to her freshman year at Mt. Holyoke. I think she made a marvelous choice. Her college counselor stressed that kids should take their own look at colleges, so when we went for visits, I toured on my own unless she really wanted me there. She flew to Massachusetts by herself to visit Mt. Holyoke, Smith, etc., and discovered that Mt. Holyoke was just right. I could take care of all the financial aid negotiations by phone and letter. Sally
I teach at a university and I have seen many parents on campus with kids who are prospective students. My feeling (as a parent and a professor) is that it is a very good idea for parents to get a sense of the environment their child will enter -- the total environment, not just the curriculum and the dorms and the financial situation. For instance, where I used to teach, the only shopping and entertainment area within walking distance was a long strip of tawdry bars, where on any given night, a parent of a prospective student could have seen the current students drinking themselves into oblivion. Safety, lifestyle, community resources, cultural outlets, etc. become much more obvious on a visit. You are quite right that you should talk personally to the financial aid people if you are paying for your child's education. Where I would urge parents to be more reticent is in the area of planning course work or majors for their children. A prospective student should make his/her own academic choices. Perhaps it is just because my field is in an under-subscribed discipline, but I think parents who try to guide their kids into useful majors are doing both their children and the general academic endeavor a disservice. Perhaps if you promise your daughter to stay in the background on all questions except those having to do with your pocketbook and her safety, she might be less resistant. But she is wrong to think that parents don't accompany their children... they do and I think they should. She's lucky that you want to take the time to do it! Good luck! Linda
My husband and I have gone on numerous college visits with his daughter over the last year. Not only were parents ALWAYS present for the tours but frequently other family members were there as well (younger kids, most looking horribly bored, but present). The college may invite the student individually as a matter of form because that's how they keep track of the applicants, but parents definitely go (it's not like a wedding invitation). The parents, however, are not present for the interviews with admissions officers. And we never met with any financial aid people; that seems to be all done via paperwork. Fran
Of course other parents accompany their children on college visits! Not only for the practical reason you mentioned, but just because it's a big step for the parents as well, and you're just as interested/excited/anxious about her choice of new environments. I don't have a child that age myself, but I do remember what's like to be that age - pushing parents away, but secretly hoping they don't listen to everything you say. And if you didn't go with her, she'd probably regret it - she'd see other kids with their parents and feel a bit envious that she can't share her excitement and fears with you. Accompanying her shows that you still care, that although you'll miss her like heck (and everyone wants to know they'll be missed), you're still supportive of this next phase in her life. As for the phrasing on an invitation from a college - omitting parents/guardians/etc - I would just assume it's potential student plus guest(s) and they don't need to be explicit.
Perhaps things have changed since I visited colleges about 14 years ago, but I couldn't have imagined going WITHOUT my mother. As a parent I think you should have at least some say in the decision, even if it is simply sharing your point of view, since I imagine you will be making a significant financial contribution. I would consider it very strange for a high school student to visit a campus without a parent, since the child is just that, although he/she may not believe it, and if only for safety needs to be with a parent. All of my friends visited colleges accompanied by parents, except if they went for a second overnight visit which some colleges offer. As for colleges addressing materials only to the student, this seems normal as he/she is the prospective freshman and I think it is implicit that parents be involved. Hope this helps. Erin
It would be very unusual for a prosepctive college frshman/high school senior to do her college visits alone - without a parent or other close adult. I have dozens of friends who have been doing this the past few eyars, and not one has sent their teen alone.- except on an occasional campus tour. In some cases the parent stayed away during the actual tour with other students - or waited in a waiting room of coffee shop during an interview. Sometimes, the student does the meetings, and the parent goes to toehr events on campus that are especailly arranged for parents of visiting students. A quick call to the admission office can let you know what is available. We found that the choice of school is generally a joint decision of student and parent, and if the parent is completely unexposed, then it is hare to have an informed discussion. In our family, due to finances, my borther (the dad) my mom (the grandmother) and me (the aunt) took turns taking her to various places so that she had someone to help with logistics, finances, and just to be supportive. Several other family members have started college in the last few years and none of them went to visits alone unless they had a friend already living on campus and stayed with them to see dorm life. Perhaps you and your daughter could compromise and you would be present at some activities - and make yourself scarce - like at the bookstore - for others. Good luck. Anonymous
I totally subscribe to parent-visiting -with -teen for all the reasons already mentioned. I did have one element of this issue that hadn't been raised. The colleges visited aren't often easily accessible. Addtionally, usually, one is trying to visit several colleges in a few days. This is done reasonably easily with the advantage of a car. If you are going to a location at some distance from Berkeley, a rental car is required. It is very difficult for someone under 25 to rent a car on their own. Even if you are doing a california circuit with the family car, I don't know many who turn over the car to a junior to take around the state to visit UCs and other schools.
There are some college counselors who offer rather high priced trips to New England to visit schools. In this case parents didn't go. Can't say I subscribe to this but it is an option.
Although the majority probably visit schools in spring of junior year or fall of senior year (we chose November so she could see what New England really looked like when all turned gray), there were several families I knew that went through the application process and when acceptances were received, visited the schools that were in the final decision process. This can sometimes be difficult to schedule in mid-April but for some people it worked well.
At the end of our daughter's senior year, when she was deciding between 2 schools, she flew to them on her own, took public transit, stayed in the dorm, and attended classes with older friends. She went to each school for 2 days. This was a key experience (and well worth the money) in helping her sort out the final two schools. But we would never have sent her on her own in the spring or fall to visit 6 locations in 5 days .