Advice about Neighbor's Construction
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My neighbors, who I like, are just finishing up a fairly sizable home construction project. While the construction project has been minimally invasive for us, it has left various messes on our property. There is construction debris along the shared property line, which I assume will get cleaned-up during the final stages, and the outside of our house is fairly dirty.
I am wondering what is the general protocol for being good neighbors? I would love for the siding of our house to be cleaned as well as the screens and windows. Do people generally offer this to their neighbors? Is it ok to ask for this? There was a large amount of demolition work that deposited the dirt and dust onto our house, and in addition to being tired of looking at the dirty house and through dirty windows, I am worried about lead. Additionally I was going to get some lead kits from the city of Berkeley to test the soil, but I did not do this prior to the demolition work, can I ask them to do some abatement if it is in the soil? Thanks for any insight anon
Talk to the contractors about their dust, they are responsible for it. I am surrounded by absentee owners doing major construction jobs. I found debris on my path when i came home the other night... argh.
I told one owner in a friendly email and spoke to the construction company foreman, problem solved. The other neighbor has the messiest job-site in town (really, i am a carpenter). I have spoken to him, but he hires sub-par construction companies (i have seen his other developments). The City of Berkeley doesn't care, so you will need to negotiate with the contractor. How about telling him/her of your concerns and you will post the results on BPN
As for lead dust, too late for abatement now, there are rules about lead containment, very strict rules. At the state level. Talk to contractor about this as well. A Responsible Carpenter
Dear neighbour, It was a bit more than fifty years ago I began my first reconstruction project in a NewEngland city. I was young-and-foolish! I had foolishly bought a total wreck of a building. My project was ''saved'' by a wonderful friend, a contractor, who arrived - arrived like Superman - to actually teach me how to do what I had so foolishly thought would be ''easy.'' Since then, I've bought ''broken'' homes (because that's what I could afford as I've moved here-and-there), and managed their reconstructions here, in California, and in other states. Based on experience, I'd say any reconstruction will create some mess, but it is the responsibility of the reconstructer (Is ''reconstructer'' a word?) to not let messes develop on their own site, and, far-more important, in every way possible, LIMIT IMPACT OF THEIR WORK ON THEIR NEIGHBOURS' HOMES AND FAMILIES TO AS-CLOSE-TO-ZERO AS POSSIBLE !!!
Testing for lead after any project on a building built before 1980 is important! Do lead testing immediately! And test again in two years. Make sure you tell your reconstructer-neighbour that you're going to do lead testing because you're concerned about the possibility of lead contamination, and, I'd suggest, ask for your reconstructer-neighbour's help.
And, yes, it would be fair that your reconstructer-neighbour pay to have your home cleaned-up. Good neighbours are to be treasured - bad neighbours make life a whole-lot less FUN!
The house next door to me is built right up to a foot from the property line. Our long driveway runs along it, and this is a place our children 2 & 6 frequently play. The house is in rough shape and has been empty for quite a few years (since we bought our house and before- owner lives elswhere) .
The owner decided to fix it up, including lifting it 3 feet. We have been agreeable and signed off on all permits etc. However, to do this place up right would be a big job (minimum 200-300K), and I have been given the impression that they are trying to do something more minimal b/c of money constraints (understandable) so may be trying to cut corners.
1) Tiles and other material probably asbestos . One of the crew told me that most of the tiles are staying though they are going to try to remove some whole, to use on another part of the house and that they will just wet them. When we removed the same kind of tiles during our own renovation- we used a certified asbestos removing outfit, tent, all that. But I do know that these tiles are the considered to be less friable asbestos. Does their approach seem kosher?
2) They have been tearing all sorts of stuff up and there are paint chips from the demolished porches in our yard etc, and god knows how much dust. We also did a home testing kit on the (cracked peeling rotten) windows, which abuts our driveway and they are definitely lead painted (and will most certainly need to be either removed or seriously rehabilitated)
I feel like I need to have conversation with the contractor about containment because he been a bit sloppy so far. (and stupid stuff like sending his guys to jackhammer concrete on a Sat afternoon etc). We grow vegetable in the yard and my 2 year old is always eating from the plants and has his fingers in his mouth a lot etc. I am pretty concerned and I am not a parent that is generally too neurotic about health or germs.
Does anyone have any tips on approaching this? Also, which state or local agencies to approach should an initial conversation not make any impact on his practices. Also thinking about all of this is making me want to test my soil, does anyone know a (preferably reasonable cost) place that does this?
We are in Berkeley, to the extent thats relevant to any responses. Grateful for any guidance. freaked out mamma
I think you're being waaay too tolerant.
Lead safe practices are required for any lead paint - they need to prove there isn't lead paint to waive the requirement.
Make it clear with your neighbors that they can't litter ANYTHING on your property, much less toxic chips. Lead is serious business. I wouldn't worry about the asbestos hurting your kids (but that doesn't let them off the hook for doing that stuff right too), but the lead will hurt kids.
The contractor's crew should be cleaning every piece of litter off your yard every day that they work, even just nails or small pieces of plastic. If dirt is contaminated with paint dust, that must be removed too.
Here is some information from the City of Berkeley's website:
From the EPA's website. ''Abatement of lead can be performed legally only by certified abatement firms using trained and certified staff. Abatement will result in complete elimination of lead and lead hazards (or, long-term encapsulation of all lead-based paint).''
Don't hesitate to call the planning department and ask about these things.
Politeness is good, but you will never forgive yourself if you didn't protect your kids. You already did your neighbors the favor of not getting in the way of their 3 foot height increase. They can return the favor by doing the work correctly and safely. living next to construction project too
Contact Alameda County - Healthy Homes Department, http://www.achhd.org. They should be able to provide direction. Additionally, asbestos & lead-paint surveys/abatement procedures are typically part of the permitting process. I would be concerned too! Enviro momma
Call Alameda County Lead Poisoning Prevention. They offer a lot of free services that can help with your situation. 510-567-8280, or website: http://www.achhd.org/index.htm J
Call Healthy Homes program of Alameda County, ask them to send an inspector. That'll do it. 510 567-8280 Used to be the Lead Poisoning Prevention Program.
First, this definitely sounds like an area to keep your children away from. It takes very little lead dust to poison and potentially cause life-long neurological problems. Renovations can create high levels of lead dust. For this reason there are State and Federal laws requiring training, certification and containment of paint chips and dust (as well as asbestos) when working on pre-1978 homes, and it sounds from your description that the contractor is not in compliance. The contractor should also thoroughly cleanup the paint chips and dust.
The Alameda County Healthy Homes Department, ACHHD, (previously known as the Lead Poisoning Prevention Department) provides information, in-home consultations, and assistance with unsafe renovation problems. Funds and project management are also available for lead hazard repairs in homes with low-income families and young children. You can call their public information line at 510-567-8280. The City of Berkeley also has a lead poisoning prevention program that may be able to help.
I highly recommend that you have your children tested for lead as soon as possible. Keep them out of the work site and other contaminated areas. If you are eating any produce from the garden it should be thoroughly washed before anyone eats it and measures taken to not track leaded soil into the home.
For more information, call the ACHHD at 510-567-8280 or visit their website at www.achhd.org Julie
Regarding the lead: You are right to be concerned about lead exposure, especially for your kids. Work involving lead-based paint is regulated by both the Federal and state governments, and workers must be properly certified. I'd suggest contacting the Alameda County Healthy Homes Dept. There's a lot of info on their website about lead poisoning. http://www.achhd.org/leadpoisoning/leadp.htm. I couldn't easily figure out if they do enforcement if lead-safe practice aren't being followed, but they should be able to refer you to whomever does. Good luck. Anon
My neighbors are going to build an extension to their house in Berkeley. It may have quite a big impact on my house. Is there anyone you'd recommend I could consult with about: (a) likely impact on value of my property, and (b) predicting what kind of impact the new construction is likely to have on air and light and so on in my house? Thanks!
Well, as you've written, your concern is ''What can I do to protect my family's home if a near-by home is made bigger?''
First, you need to know just what it is being planned: Where (in relation to your home) are they planning to build? How tall is the structure they're planning to build? How big a structure is it they're planning to build? How far along in the planning/building process is this plan? (If permits have been issued by The City, you've come to the party too late.)
Then, make an appointment with City of Berkeley Planning Department http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/planning/ Call. Make an appointment. Talk with a City Planner
Then, sometimes there is a way to get to an agreement with ''the folks next door'' that will reduce impact of that larger structure on your family's home, sometimes not.
They are building a shed abutting our rear property line (the other side of our lot). Much to our surprise, it is being propped up on an elevated deck, which rests on stilts at the rear corner of the lot. The stilts came up yesterday. Our house is downslope about 30 feet south. From our second story bedroom window we can see the underside of the deck on which the shed rests. Upon completion the shed should rise almost two stories above the second story of our house due to the height of the hill behind us and the fact that they're elevating the structure. We questioned the neighbors and were told the structure did not require permits as it is a nonhabitable and of a small size- 120 square feet, no more than 12 feet tall, measured from deck height. The fact that the whole thing is elevated by stilts several feet higher than the highest point on the lot was apparently not considered by the Oakland planning and zoning department. We did not know it would be until this weekend. The owners believe the tenants are within their legal rights.
Other factors--we are near downtown but literally abut 2 acres of forested hill. The buildout, right up against 2 redwoods and 2 oaks, is under a v. dense tree canopy, and looks like a likely fire hazard.
Can a neighbor just create an unpermitted space that is several stories higher than our house, on our lot line, on a steep forested hill? As I said, from our second story bedroom window we are at eye level w/ the underside of the deck. This structure will be visible from the street also. I can visualise the sparks from that structure arcing through the trees and burning our house down. Thanks for any and all advice. eastbay newbie
Take lots of photos of the neighbor's tenant's un-permitted construction and print a few showing the potential hazard. Maybe print Google Earth views too.
Go to the city Building Dept at Frank Ogawa Plaza on the north side of city hall. As to speak to the fire marshal about un-permitted construction that is a fire hazard. Regardless of the small area of the shed, it is not allowed to encroach on the setback (5', I think) on their side of the property line.
Amelia the Realtor
That's ridiculous. Building codes don't apply just to inhabitable structures. This project surely requires a permit. Call the Oakland City Code enforcement line ASAP 510-238-3381. You give them the address and tell them your concern and they will send an inspector out to review it to see if there have been any code/permit violations. The sooner you do this the better in case something needs to be torn down. You can do this anonymously if you wish. Elizabeth
120 square feet means, for example, 10x12 feet. That is a HUGE shed.
If anybody spends any time at all in this ''shed,'' they cannot build it on the property line as it will be considered habitable. DEFINITELY NOT ALLOWED if someone is using it as a part time office.
Oakland City website list says structures that don't require permits are:
''Single story detached buildings which do not exceed 12 feet in height used as tool or storage sheds, playhouses, etc., as long as the projected roof area does not exceed 120 square feet and does not have plumbing or electricity.''
NO ELECTRICITY. SINGLE STORY. USED TO STORE TOOLS. 12 FEET (Minus the height of the stilts!) I think you can safely assume the height requirement is measured from the ground! Just because it's on stilts doesn't mean you get to start measuring from the top of the stilts. That's ridiculous.
Call and ask before it gets built! Good luck homeowner
Whether the building is built by the tenant or the owner, the law is the same, and the owner is responsible for the acts and structures. It is my understanding that heights of structures, fences, sheds, etc. are measures FROM GRADE of the ground, not from the deck. Good luck lynn S
Our neighbors are planning a big addition in the near future. Their house is quite close to ours and on our west side, so any increase in height will end up blocking a significant amount of light from our living and dining areas. We're friendly with these neighbors and I don't begrudge their desire for more space, but at the same time I'm pretty unhappy about the impact that desire will have on us. When they have discussed their plans with us, we've made this clear gently but straightforwardly. Still, they seem determined to go up.
I know we're not the first household around here to deal with this issue, so I'd love to get some feedback. Specifically: If you stayed, how did you handle it? (One friend suggested asking them to pay for new skylights in our living and dining rooms!) Was the impact as bad as you expected -- or not?
If you sold, did you get out before the project began? Or did you try to sell with an ongoing construction project next door? What was the impact?
Finally, any idea how or if your property value was affected?
Any words of wisdom will be much appreciated! -- On the shady side of the street
they will have to do a shadow study, which will show you how much light will really be blocked at different times of year. Ask them to get that done as soon as they can so that you can come to an understanding before they commit to a project to which you might object. been there
Ugh, this is such a sensitive situation. I know they are your friends, but it will only get worse and resentment will build if you don't step up now and do research. We let our neighbors build a structure in their yard, and because we were friends, we assumed our interests would be taken into account. They were not, and our relationship was strained and tense for years, until they moved. Leaving us stuck with the structure!!!
First, I would check with your city's Building Department. What are their rules regarding second stories? I wouldn't spend too much time on this, but it would be a good idea to become familiar with your city's policies. How high can they go? Can they build out, rather than up?
They will have to get a permit to build. It is hard to hide this sort of construction, but I'd check that a permit has been pulled, just in case.
Ask them to construct 'story poles' and follow the shadow it makes on your house and property at various times during the day. See the actual impact of light it would have on you.
It is so important to make all your concerns heard NOW, before plans are drawn up and construction starts. It will be too late then. If they are determined to do this, then get in on the design process, and question everything. Legally they must submit plans to the public before starting a project of this size. I believe in some jurisdictions you can make formal complaints to the city, too.
It's hard to say how this will impact your property values, because it's only one factor in purchasing a house.
You have a lot more rights than you think. They may be friendly, and if you don't stand up now for yourself, your neighbors will not take your needs into consideration. I don't begrudge others wanting more space, either, but maybe if they want a bigger space, they should move rather than you. in construction
Because you already know your neighbors are planning to add to their home, you would have to disclose that ''material fact'' to any potential buyer ! DON'T TRY TO LIE AND ''FORGET'' TO DISCLOSE ! FAILING TO DISCLOSE COULD BE EXPENSIVE !
So, my advice: sit tight and work with your nice neighbours to reduce impacts of their new construction as best you can.
Install your own skylight or skylights.
Hire a good structural engineer to design placement, size, etc, and find a good contractor (Interview five or six contractors, do your due diligence, choose three contractors to bid so you get more information than just talking with one contractor). Do not just choose the lowest bid; choose the best contractor for your job.
A good skylight, installed into a ''typical Berkeley cottage-style home,'' should not cost more than $5,000 for the skylight and proper installation, and all/some of that cost may be a ''solar improvement'' and deductible on your taxes.
Oh, yes: and insulate-insulate-insulate while you have unobstructed access into the rafters ! (I think new insulation is still a tax-deductible cost, but, no matter what, you'll be keeping your family much much much warmer !)
We need some help with where to turn to next. Our next door neighbor is building a big shed (bigger than a single garage) that seems to us to be too close. It's less than 4 feet from our house. Our house is very close to our boundary, but it's been here for nearly 100 years. We're worried about the obvious - our light being blocked, the potential hazard (he will be using flammable art chemicals in his new studio), the eye-sore, and of course our property resale value.
He is doing all the work himself and does have a permit.
So, here's our questions: If he has a permit does it mean the city has measured everything and approved his distance from our house? Is there someone we can pay to look into this for us - check the permit, follow it up with the city, etc? Are we looking for a builder/contractor or a lawyer for help? Any recommendations? Thanks crowded house
I once complained about a building going up on my block because it's already too dense in my Oakland neighborhood. I called the city building permit office. They investigated and the next week the building was dismantled. In Oakland, new buildings or additions etc. are usually posted in the neighborhood to allow comments. I was told by the permit office that they take problems about blocking light seriously. anonymous
Call the building department and ask them these questions first. Chances are if he has a permit, they have done the required checks etc, but there's also a chance that he doesn't necessarily have the correct permit or for the use he is intending. Once it's in construction, it's usually impossible to do much - catching these things is best at the pre-permit level. anon
Sounds awful. There are setback rules that define how close you can build to the propertly line - you can inquire about those at your local permit office. I would start there, find out what those are, however you did say he has a permit (maybe he is just saying he has one?).
If he is following the rules, you could get a survey to try to re-establish the property line and figure out if he is too close.
My guess is that you don't have a good relationship with this person or (1) he would have had the courtesy to not do this in first place (2) you haven't gone to talk to him about it. The latter may be a good approach, but depends on the status of the construction. Good luck. Anon